If Texas Doesn't Trade Michael Young: The Four Scenarios
As baseball-invested people of all sorts -- the emotionally drained Rangers fan, the curiosity-driven blogosphere wanderer, the proselytizing columnist, and so on -- hold forth on the Michael Young imbroglio, and vigorously debate the merits and (many?) flaws in his hardline position against the ballclub, a rather significant question continues to fly freely and largely undetected: if the Rangers reciprocate Young's stubbornness by digging their own heels into the dirt, and outright refuse to accept a team-unfriendly deal, who the hell is going to want Young? And perhaps even more significantly, how do things end up playing out if they can't (or won't) trade Young?
The not-so-secret dirty little secret about the Young-approved eight-team list of possible landing spots is that virtually every one of those teams either (a) can't furnish the infield playing time that Young so desperately covets (e.g. Yankees), (b) can't afford to assume the salary commitment that would still exist even with the benefit of a generous cash subsidy (e.g. Padres), or (c) simply don't appear to want him for one good reason or another (Astros, Twins, Cardinals); meanwhile, the Dodgers and Angels continue to linger around on the periphery, and I suppose something could conceivably still happen there, but the point is that with Young's hottest pursuer (Rockies) now reportedly out of the mix, the likelihood of him being dealt without being more amenable to other possibilities is falling fast, to say the least.
So, in the event that the Rangers tell Young something to the effect of "we're not trading you, but we're also not expanding your role beyond that which we already laid out for you, so get over it," I'm seeing one of four possible scenarios playing out -- one or two of which may have little to virtually no chance of actually happening, but need to be included in the interest of thoroughness:
Scenario No. 1: Young initially fumes after being told that the organization won't punch his ticket to such exotic locales as Houston, Minneapolis, and/or St. Louis, but reports to spring training (as per his contractual requirements), dons his customary professionalism mask, and continues to ooze good-vibe intangibles by the bucket. In this scenario, Young sets aside his frustrations and misgivings about his playing-time situation (which will likely still comprise 600-plus plate appearances when all is said and done, provided that he's not dealt), ceases publicly voicing his distrust of the Rangers' front office, and at least ignores adversary Jon Daniels while continuing to be what most would consider a "good teammate." Texas goes on to enjoy a competitive season, thereby placating Young after a reasonable period of time, and eventually things quiet down to the point that he no longer wants to be traded.
And everyone lived happily ever after.
Scenario No. 2: Young is ticked, remains ticked going into spring training, and carries it over into the season ... except this time, it negatively colors his attitude and conduct in the clubhouse, in the dugout, and/or on the playing field. The extent to which this could occur is up for debate; it may be that he sulks quietly and merely no longer emanates those good-leadership vibes (or does so in far smaller quantities), or it may be that he's a bit more aggressive, to the extent that he ignites several disruptive episodes in team environments where such conduct is not tolerated. I will be upfront in saying that I have an inordinately difficult time imagining Young transforming into a clubhouse cancer in the way that, say, Sidney Ponson did three years ago, but I would be remiss if I did not at least acknowledge the possibility of Young adopting a scorched-earth policy as a means of expressing his discontent and forcing the trade issue more than he has already.
To those who would completely write off any prospect of Scenario No. 2 actualizing, I would point towards at least one disturbing little sign that has come to light this morning -- in addition to not being on speaking terms with general manager Jon Daniels, team president Nolan Ryan, and probably the rest of the Rangers' upper-level brass, Young has apparently severed all verbal contact with manager Ron Washington, who has never been anything less than a devout Young supporter and has always shown Young an overabundance of love. That bothers me. A lot. It leads me to wonder what other shenanigans Young would be capable of pulling, should he continue to not get his way during the remainder of his time in Texas.
Scenario No. 3: An amalgamation of scenarios No. 1 and No. 2, where Young sucks it up and maintains a friendly, amicable and team-first personality around his teammates, coaches and manager, but continues to be a thorn in the organization's side otherwise, with repeated trade requests throughout the season and a continued icy stance towards upper management. In this scenario, Young makes the best of what he considers an unfortunate situation, but also continues to work to extricate himself from it behind the scenes.
Scenario No. 4: The apocalypse scenario, where Young either (a) outright refuses to report to spring training, or (b) pulls the Alfonso Soriano-tried-and-tested 2006 gambit and simply refuses to come up to the plate as a designated hitter in his first spring training game, despite being penciled into that spot. This assumes an especially bitter, vindictive version of Young who wants to make everyone perfectly aware of just how serious he is about not being a designated hitter -- one who is willing to risk damage to his long-term financial well-being to prove his point, and to call the organization's bluff and hopefully force his way out by the most extreme means imaginable.
When Soriano pulled a similar stunt during his first 2006 spring training game with the Washington Nationals (involving an awkward scene where Soriano never came out of the dugout to assume his post in left field with the rest of his teammates, which temporarily delayed the game), then-manager Frank Robinson was forced to make a quick defensive switch -- and immediately after the game, then-general manager Jim Bowden issued an ultimatum: play left field tomorrow, or land on the disqualified list, meaning no accrual of service time and forfeiture of his salary. Soriano, of course, relented, thereby precluding the possibility of involvement by the players' union, who could have conceivably taken up the argument on Soriano's behalf that his value would have been diminished by a move to left field.
So, either flavor of "Doomsday" Scenario No. 4 carries far-reaching implications that would probably steer what is already a nasty public rift into historically nasty territory. I cannot imagine Young's pride is so immense that it overshadows his bank account, and it is for that reason that I find Scenario No. 4 almost unbelievable ... but when he was asked what would happen if the team didn't budge from its stance, Young refused comment. And when this blew up for the first time two years ago (when he was far less angry than he is now), Young remarked: "I'm not playing third base. I'm pretty adamant about my stance." I'd like to eliminate this possibility out of hand, but it strikes me as pretty obvious why we really can't rule anything out where this thing is concerned anymore. Hell, it's virtually beyond our comprehension as it stands right now.
Let's all try to remember this little episode the next time a major league team wants to overpay for things not directly related to the happenings on the baseball field. Because this ... this is a disaster.
Analysis, The Off-Season
Reader Comments (163)
@James Mason - I don't think Young HAS to go. I think Wash and the core of this team can fix thin in spring training. Young is a prideful dude and he's been hurt. Time heals all. If JD can swing a deal that makes the Rangers better, great...but I don't think he HAS to make a deal even if it's a stinker of a deal. And from what they are saying, this is exactly the stance Nolan and JD are taking, which I think is the right one.
As weird as this has been, Young has another opportunity here to prove he really is all about the team winning. He can show up in Surprise and say. "I've had time to think about it and I've cooled down. I love this team, my family loves North Texas, these guys are my brothers. We've been through a lot together and we came so close to the title. There's no way I'm going to let them win it all this year without me. I've told Wash I'll play anywhere he needs me to play. I brought 4 different gloves to camp and I plan on using all of them." Then we can all go on worshiping him for his sacrifices and this will all be forgotten by the all-star break.
Hey, my Rangers were in the World Series 4 months ago, I can believe in dreams, no?
Scooby,
1. I was making an analogy about eating shit, and it makes sense. JD has served up shit pie for everyone to eat because he has woefully mismanaged the situation. That was my analogy and I am not simply saying it because I am pissed, it also make total sense.
2. MY was told that he would not be traded by the organization. Why you would say that he wasn't I can't understand. He was also told that he would be the opening day DH. I do not think that Nolan prefaced these statements with "the plan is." The burden of proof is on you to show that. I honestly thing there was disagreement in the FO and that is why MY was sent mixed messages, again, this highlights the fact that JD completely messed this all up.
3. I do not think the "plan on" preface was used in every instance.
4.Whatever dude, All I was saying is you can't lie, there is a moral prohibition on lying. If you take umbrage with that I'm sorry for you.
5. If they told Treanor that he would not be release there would be a parallel but they have not. They told MY that he would be the full time DH and that he would not be traded. Point is they did not tell Treanor that he would not be released only that the plan was that he would be the backup. No parallel here, sorry. Further, even if there was parallel doesn't matter because the situation is totally different in other ways. Treating Treanor like shit isn't going to put you in a shit storm, I'm not saying you should treat him badly, you shouldn't, but I think you see the point. This highlights my point that JD totally mismanaged the situation.
6. No, I am suggesting that you should not tell them that they won't be trade when you actually really hope to trade them. The difference here is the presence of the dishonesty while all other situations do not include an affirmative statement that was given to Young, THAT HE WOULD NOT BE TRADED.
7. I don't think Nolan is lying, I think there was disagreement in the FO and that is what led to Nolan making the statements that mislead MY. Of course JD approved those statement all along putting just as much pressure on MY to ask for a trade as the rest of the FO would allow.
8. We will see. I would not be surprised if Chuck has some serious reservations about resigning JD after his mismanagement of this situation. To put it another way, he struck out with the bases loaded in the bottom of the ninth, two outs, one run down, and runners on 3rd and 2nd.
9. Repeat of 8
10. My discussion about Blanco had little to do with MY. I was trying to figure out a way to make more roster space for Gentry or a 6th starter to start the year. I am not a Young loyalist at all. Just the simple truth.
11. Your quote from the Michael Young Goes Nuclear Thread below saying that JD got MY to ask for a trade in such a way that will make the public view JD as the victim.
Scooby, really, PPPPPPPPLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAASE
"JD just pulled a Jedi Mind Trick on Michael Young. JD just got Michael Young to ask for JD to do him what JD's been wanting to do to him for 2 years (since the rift over moving to 3B), but couldn't for public relations reasons. Not only that, he got Young to do it in a way that much of the public will view JD as he victem of unfair attacks, not as the guy who ran Young out of town, and, bonus, Young has now effectively prevented Ryan or Greenberg from vetoing the move."
But of course, no one here has said such a thing as this.
12. Don't care, it is this situation in which JD was misleading MY. The past is the past, now we are all in a shit storm. And the funniest thing is that you may not even get your wish Scoobs! Nobody wants MY. We will be stuck with him and JD will have to cowtow to his highness the king.
"Joe is obviously a troll. "
Adam,
A quote from you from an earlier post. How are you attacking me?
PPPPPPPLLLLLLLLEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAASE.
Joe
PS Heres a little secret Adam, it is possible for people to go back and read the thread and see what you actually said. Your credibility might be at stake here when you blatantly lie.
WOW, this is all a bunch of crap.
MY hit the road and dont look back.
we dont need a crybaby, just players, and at 16m a year, you should do as you are told, or QUIT.
What makes little sense to me in all of this, is the Rangers brass (Jon Daniels) expecting equal value in return or in his words "something that improves the ball club". What they have actually done this off-season is kill MY's value. They told the whole baseball world that MY can't play the field anymore by signing Beltre and then said he is not worthy of a full seasons worth of AB's by trading for Napolli. But, then they go to other teams and say we have a guy available with a career avg of .300 through 10 seasons, is a 6 time All-Star, a Gold-glove winner and has a higher career OPS of our big off-season aquistion and we want you to take on his salary or give us a bunch of high-level prospects in return if you want us to take on some of the salary. The Rangers are talking out both sides of their mouth and MY and the rest of baseball is calling their bluff. JD has screwed this one up royally and when this is all said and done, should be the one shown the door.
To be fair, I accused you of trolling twice. I'm not trying to hide anything. It is my opinion that you are trolling. You are displaying many troll characteristics. That is my opinion and if you take it as an attack, I am sorry. I do not know you nor do I pretend to so. If I wanted to attack you on a website, I would be a little more blatant. Alas, I do not wish to be a internet tough guy. I disagree with you wholeheartedly, I think your insistance on trying to convince us that your "shit eating analogy" makes sense is rediculous, I think you are intentionally trolling this site for response...I guess thats what you are after and it's obviously working. That is what I think. If you and MY share the same delicate sensibilities, I guess I can see where that might come accross as an attack. OK, that last bit might have been a tad below the belt...couldn't help myself.
RedBlueRanger,
I don't want to lose JD, but honestly, that may be what happens. He will have no problem getting a job somewhere else, perhaps with an organization that values intangibles less than the Rangers do.
Maybe Levine would be just as good.
Joe
Joe.
There is no evidence other than Young's worthless word that anyone gave him an absolute assurance that he wouldn't be traded.
Nolan has said that Young changed his mind because of concern for his next contract. That's either a lie or it's true and Young id lying.
That quote of mine in no way suggests that JD was PLANNING on Young melting down. I believ the trade request was the plan. The meltdown was the unexpected bonus.
Young is gone. I am still roughly 99% sure that is true. I'm gonna get my "wish".
@RedBlue - I don't think JD really wants to trade Young (well, he would if he could get a good return). I think their statement that they will only move him if they can improve the team is the safety net for when they can't move him. They know they can't get fair value....they've tried for 3 months and no one would bite. Now MY demands a trade so they say they will try and make him happy. In the end, I think MY reports to camp and once around his teammates, they sort all this out.
Adam,
If people compare your statements with mine they will see that you are the one that has been trolling, calling me a troll for no good reason.
My shit eating analogy was used to make a point, that JD's mismanagement has caused a really really bad situation in which Rangers fans have been caused to suffer a lot of unnecessary pain, in other words, to eat shit.
Joe
I don't think Young HAS to go. I think Wash and the core of this team can fix thin in spring training.
I'm just waiting for Grant and Newberg to turn on him. Notice how quiet they are... shhhhhh
@ Pabloesque:
I'm dead serious that Young is a worse hitter than Kinsler, Napoli, Murphy, and Moreland. With Napoli, Murphy, and Kinsler, just look deeply at the stats and it's clear. With Moreland, it's justa leap of faith, of course, but I love the kid's approach to the plate. I think he'll be a .900 OPS hitter this year (or close to it). That's way better than Young.
@RedBlueRanger:
"Only if it improves the team" is standard GM speak. Just getting him to go away with some cost savings improves the team, so a deal will be made.
Heh, in response to an MY question where the poster was trying to bash JD:
"Dave Cameron:
You realize that most leaks to the media are from the teams dealing with Texas trying to drive the price down, right?"
OK Joe. JD is the devil, Young is God. And I am the one who is disagreeing with everyone else on here ad naseum. I still don't get how eating feces is a normal analogy for unecessary pain but I'll go with it if only to stop you from trying to make it make sense.
I don't think he's gonna get traded. As he's wilted and succumbed in the past I think he'll do the same thing this time.
@Scooby, I think that last part was directed at me and I don't disagree with your statement in regards to JD being able to justify the savings as a team improvement. I'm not sure I'm with you on the 99% certainty deal, but I'd say it's at least 60/40 that MY moves. The cancer in the locker room probably wouldnt be worth it. Who knows. Is the juice worth the squeeze?
Scooby,
Again, your own words show you are wrong.
"he got Young to do it in a way that much of the public will view JD as he victem of unfair attacks."
He got Michael Young to do it! That means he got him to, you know, he did it, he did it on purpose.
I am sure that Young's unwillingness to suffer future diminished marketability has factored into his decision, but the main reason why he has chosen the way he has is because he was misled. He is not lying, I suppose its possible he is overstating his case but I don't think he's lying.
The Rangers did tell Young he would not be traded. As far as absolute assurances I don't know. I am sure that JD did not sign this in blood, but the point is MY was told and led to believe he would not be traded and that he would be the opening day DH.
Joe
"OK Joe. JD is the devil, Young is God. And I am the one who is disagreeing with everyone else on here ad naseum. I still don't get how eating feces is a normal analogy for unecessary pain but I'll go with it if only to stop you from trying to make it make sense."
Adam,
I do not think JD is the devil. I think he fell into misleading MY in a very difficult situation. Anyone might fall into this in a difficult situation and a simple apology could possibly go a long way. i also have no loyalty to MY, but I will defend him if there has been injustice waged against him.
Joe
BINGO - YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT EITHER OF THEM HAS SAID TO THE OTHER BEHIND CLOSE DOORS!!!! So stop pretending you know what JD "lied" to MY about! All we know is what we can see on the surface and what we can see is MY acting like a prima donna because his feelings got hurt.
As has been said elsewhere, most recently by Hindman's awesome piece this morning, several better players have switched positions but MY is the only one so buthurt over it to demand a trade.
Adam,
It is pretty obvious to observers such as Scooby that JD has been trying to trade MY in spite of his acceptance of the DH position.
The disagreement has to do with what exactly MY was told, and the level to which he was assured that he would not be traded.
I think the fact that he was misled is easily established. It is not so easily established that JD blatantly lied to MY. That is what I am talking about. Regardless I think JD should apologize if for nothing else but handling the situation in a very bad way, in such a way that created fertile ground for mixed messages being sent and for people to get angry. This should have never happened and JD is to blame.
Joe
I am surprised that Chuck, Nolan, or Ray Davis haven't come out and said something, something people?
The fans need to hear from the leaders of the organization. This shit is ridiculous.
Joe:
Yes, JD got MY to have a meltdown and demand a trade. He wasn't TRYING to get him to have a meltdown, because a meltdown like this was unforseeable. He was TYRING to get him to demand a trade. The meltdown was an unexpected bonus.
Joe, if I wanted to "attack" you, I would.
Quit being ridiculous.
Start your own blog so you can preach to the world!
Scooby,
Whatever man. I think anyone reading the quotes above will see that you were saying that JD was trying to get MY to make himself look bad. If you want to deny now I suppose that's fine, we can always go back and revise our statements. Maybe you meant something a tiny bit different, but my main point is fully intact based on your own words.
Joe
Philly,
I think anyone going back and reading the record will see that you resorted to ad hominem attacks against me.
Joe
Joe:
I think it was Keynes who said (paraphrasing): "When the facts younge, so do my opinions. What do YOURS do, Madam?"
I don't think JD was trying to trade Young until he had Napoli in the fold. Any assurances about not trading Young (a) would not have been ironclad and that Young took them to be so says more about Young's ego than anything else, and (b) would have come after the Beltre signing but before the Napoli trade.
The Napoli trade changed the facts. So JD's opinion of whether it was time to pursue a Young trade changed. Just nothing wrong here.
As an aside, would you suggest that Young also ought to issue a public appoligy for slamming his boss in the media, which is never acceptable if you wish to remain employed by that person?
Here you are jumping to conclusions again. Here are some points I think are relevant. Young has gotten upset in some form or fashion each time he has been asked to change positions even though each move made the team markedly better. Agree? Young initially signed off on the Beltre deal and was once again applauded for being such a selfless team guy. Napoli becomes available after being traded to Toronto. JD makes a move for him because he will gie the team a backup 1B/C and DH against lefties...makes the team better and more flexible. Then MY says he told the team he would DH but now he doesn't want to (I'm paraphrasing)...that he's been painted into a corner too many times. He's been misled and lied to...about what? He won't say.
So, MY is the one who told the team he would DH then doubled back on that. Misleading? It is so freaking obvious that this is all about his perceived diminished roll. He has a track record of pouting over each position change, why would this time be any different? But you hear him say he's been lied to and you grab that as truth, demand an appology from JD, and claim JD has mismanaged the whole situaton so bad that people need to eat feces. All the while we have zero quote from MY about what the big lie is/has been. Only guesses and assumptions.
You're blind dude, open your eyes. Either that or you are the one who sees the light and the rest of us are crazy. I'm assuming you read Hindman..don't you think there is anything to what he says?
This is like yelling at a wall....I give up. Uncle
Joe,
No. I never suggested that JD was trying to make Young go Batsh*t crazy. In my mind, he clearly wanted Young to request a trade, and expected it to be done quietly and simply. The meltdown came out of left field. The fact that it helps JD sell the trade to the fans in no way mitigates the fact that he hadn't anticipated it.
Philly, I went back and read the posts and I do not think you resorted to ad hominem attacks on Joe.
Hope that helps you sleep better tonight...
Adam,
I'm not surprised at that because you yourself deny having resorted to such attacks after you blatantly started calling me a troll with no basis in reality.
Joe
Oh, somewhere in this favored land the sun is shining bright,
The band is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light,
And somewhere men are laughing, and little children shout;
But there is no joy in Rangerville — mighty Daniels has struck out.
Strrrrrike threee!
Yuuuuuuuurr out!
Adam,
I will use Scooby's words to make my point one last time.
"In my mind, he [JD] clearly wanted Young to request a trade, and expected it to be done quietly and simply."
This is utterly different than what JD told MY, than what MY was told by the organization. He was told he would not be traded, he was misled as they continued to shop him and listen to offers. And TR Sullivan was right when he said they should not even have been listening to offers.
I think it is obvious that MY's feeling he was misled is based in reality. Perhaps he overreacted or JD's mismanagement of the situation was less intentional than it seems, but the bottom line is that he was misled.
Joe
The fans need to hear something from the organization. Or is this just a drifting ship at this point. Drifting in shark infested waters. How will we ever defend our title now!!!?
Joe - I've been visiting BBTiA every single day for well over a year now and I can honestly say I have never seen so many comments from 1 person. You evidently have WAY too much time on your hands. I appreciate your passion but really, enough is enough.
Scooby - I love Murphy, I really do, but he's a 4th OFer for a reason and you risk over-exposing him with too many ABs. If after 140 games his numbers are better than MY's, I'll give you props.
I think it's unfair for any of us to assume MY would regress (as a hitter... in 2011) until we see what he can do with regular rest. In hindsight, he might look back on this debacle and regret forcing JD's hand. He could have had a very nice, Paul Molitoresque type career had he kept his mouth shut and just played ball.
We hear Hammy's name flying around as someone who will see alot of time at DH... and he stands to lose alot more than MY (in terms of free agency)... but you don't hear him complaining.
MY knee jerked on emotion and will live to regret it. He has no idea how much PT he could've seen; What if Kins goes on the DL in April or May, what if Wash rests Beltre/Kins/Andrus more than we thought, what if Moreland flops, what if we have an injury at catcher and Napoli is behind the plate more often than not, etc... there are alot of scenarios where MY could have easily gotten 500+ ABs.. and with regular rest, could have put up sick numbers..
Man, I bet he regrets what he said... but his foolish pride won't allow him to apologize and play nice.
Oh well, hope you like the Armpit of Texas and enjoy wearing those ridiculously ugly throw-backs with ASTROS on the front... and I hope you enjoy being in every trade rumor for the next 3 years. You should have kept your mouth shut.
Pablo,
With all due respect I think that you should at least address someone before you dismiss them. If you don't want to address me then just ignore me, anything else is just some form of ad hominem. I don't think it is that difficult to just ignore someone.
Joe
Joe, with all due respect, you are becoming impossible to ignore. 41 posts on this topic. I guess I have too much time as well. (I'm iced in today...)
Joe - huh? What do you mean by "address you"? Isn't that what I did? And you're asking me to pretty much ignore ALL comments since you've completely dominated this topic. 41 comments... seriously? I don't want to see this become the DMN blog where you have back/forth comments that are unrelated... or, as in your case, beaten to death. The horse is dead, skinned, filleted and on the menu at your local Chinese restaurant... so let's move on... ok?
BTW - I DO appreciate your opinion, so I'm not asking you to shut down completely... I'm just saying that it's time to move onto a new topic of conversation... that's all.
pablo:
Murphy is a 4th OF because the Rangers have baseball's best pair of Corner OFs. There are about 25 teams out there for whom he'd be a starter, I suspect.
I feel like I missed something epic.
LOL
I have people counting my posts now. I feel special. Oh so special.
If you also count the posts addressed to me you will get a similar number.
Its not like I'm on here talking to thin air. People addressed me so I responded and then they responded.
Pablo,
I am all for moving on.
Joe
This thread = wank-a-thon for Joe.
Really come on Scooby your are a pretty knowledgable baseball guy but to say young is the 8th best bat on the team COME ON MAN! I like Napoli but off the top of my head he like a 260 career hitter that pounds lefties. I like Murphy but lets not over expose him.
The reason i think Joe has his stance is this. Look up Jayson Straks twitter account from two days ago. He said that the friction between young & the FO was the fact that he ask if they were trying to trade him they said no then he found out other wise. So it is fairly evident that JD or someone in the FO lied to him simple enough. Alos though if young wants it all to be straight he needs to tell all. I have thought alot about this someone is for sure wrong and someone is lying only time will tell. I happen to beieve young based on the fact that he has always been a standup guy but I could be wrong, but Joe's point is that you should be honest with people when they ask you a question. Sometimes the truth hurts, but it seems that treating people with proper respect has gone to crap in this world we live in and most people do not have enough backbone to standup for what the feel is right. I feel that is one thing that has put our country in the shape it is in but that is another story.
Before i say this JD has done a great job with team, but it always seems that Nolan has to try to smooth over something that JD has screwed up. First the Young move to 3rd two years ago. Then last year the deal with CJ getting a shot to start that ened up being all Nolan if we all remeber at first Wash & JD both were all against even giving CJ a chance CJ had been told he would get a shot and he trianed to do so. Then JD says no the CJ gets some what mad & Nolan trumphs all of them. the rest is histroy.
@ Scooby why are you so bent on trying to say that Young was of no worth to this team it makes ZERO sense. Although I do not know if he will be going foward after this Cluster F--k. To lsiten to you descirbe young as a player one would think you are talking about Joiqian ARIAS!! What happened did young kick you in the balls at some point. Sorry Ok I am done now.
Some of you guys act as if you were there when these matters were discussed between JD and Young, as if you were privy to the tone used and even the words chosen. It's laughable.
WWJDD,
What is laughable W is how ridiculously one sided BBTiA posters have been in siding totally with JD without even considering whether MY may actually be on to something to the slightest degree.
Joe
Daniel Stark gets the best post of the day/night award. I read 80% of this string and squeezed in between ranting about shit pie are some really good thoughts on the MY trade scenario. 140+ comments is insane. Stuff like this should be in the forum. I also visit everyday and this was rough.
Oh, somewhere in this favored land the sun is shining bright,
The band is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light,
And somewhere men are laughing, and little children shout;
But there is no joy in Rangerville — mighty Daniels has struck out.
Strrrrrrrrrrrrike threee!
Yyur out!
First, you didn't address the point - why are you pretending that you know what was said between JD and Mike? If you were there, you would be able to judge whether someone was "disrespected" or not. If you weren't there, and the conversation hasn't been made public, then you have no friggin clue, and you're just guessing, which is laughable.
Second, to say one is upset with Mike's comments (and yes, many fans are) is one thing. To say that people are "siding with JD" is not quite what is happening, and shows again your inability to focus on the issue at hand; instead you would rather fall into one of your endless loops of nonsense. I, for one, have no idea what happened between JD and Mike, and I have no idea who is telling the truth and who is lying. But as a fan I was not happy with the remarks made by Mike to the press. It doesn't mean I'm "siding" with anyone, though.
If Mike were a person of such high integrity, he should have kept his remarks to himself and let this play out, taking the high road. If he's in the right, he would be vindicated and he would be able to keep his good name. But because of his outburst, he's lost his good name, regardless of whether he's actually in the right or not.
That's what so ironic about your monomania on this post. You keep moaning about "respect" - but Mike certainly wasn't respectful in what he said (see Hindman's column for salient examples), was he?
WWJDD,
Do you really want to walk further yet with that maniac - in a circle round the Coliseum?
But - sir - to say most here have not taken the side of JD - is not tragedy - but rather comedy.
Sophocles
I, sir, know comedy. You know nothing about comedy. In fact, here's one of my best jokes for you:
A guy dies and is sent to Hell. Satan meets him, shows him doors to three rooms, and says he must choose one to spend eternity in. In the first room, people are standing in shit up to their necks. The guy says "no, let me see the next room." In the second room, people are standing with shit up to their noses. Guy says no again. Finally, Satan opens the door to the third room. People are standing with shit up to their knees, wearing Texas Rangers shirts & caps, drinking coffee, eating danish pastries, and watching games from the magical 2010 Rangers season. The guy says, "I pick this room." Satan says okay and starts to leave, and the guy wades in and starts pouring some coffee. On the way out Satan yells, "O.K., coffee break's over. Everyone back on your heads!"