What is your opinion of the A.J. Pierzynski signing?
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1. I would tender offers to Cruz, Nathan and AJP. They will likely recieve a 1st round pick for Nathan. Cruz and AJP I would expect to accept. Not high on McCann. He gets hurt way too often and is over 30. Don't copy the Angels and pay for success that the other team had.2. Sign Jose Dariel Abreu. He would be the slugging 1B bat that's needed in Arlington. Backup plan is to bring back Mike Napoli to play 1B.3. I would love to get Masahiro Tanaka but I can't see the Rangers topping the 61 million posting fee they paid for Yu Darvish. They likely will bit about 40-45 million but I think a team like the Mets, Cubs, Yankees or Angels break the Yu Darvish posting fee record and someone pays 65 million for Masahiro Tanaka.4. Let Matt Garza go. There are plenty of number 4 starters that can be had for alot less.
1. They will almost certainly offer Cruz a QO. Nathan is not a FA. He has a team/player option for somewhere around 9 mil or so. Why would the Rangers opt out of that deal only to offer him a QO which will be 14 mil? If Nathan opts out, they will let him walk and go with Scheppers, Feliz, and/or Soria. AJP made 7.5 mil this year. Why the hell would the Ranges offer him a QO of 14 mil? No way they do that.
2. The Rangers will be in line to get one of those two...Napoli or Abreu. Bos also is rumored to want both guys as well, but I suspect that they will only be able to pick one or the other. I'd rather have Nap although Bos will likely offer him a QO so we'd have to give up a draft pick to get him. I'm not sold on Abreu...slow bat...can't hit a plus fastball...but he can't be worse than Moreland offensively.
3. Yeah I don't think we'll get Tanaka. JD already said that he will not be increasing the budget this yr plus the starting pitching was pretty good. They really need to focus on a bat or 3.
4.Maybe they should let Garza go but it's hard to give up the guys they did and then just let the guy walk. If he wants a ton of money then yeah...let him walk. I'm not sure that he can get what he thinks he's worth...which means the Rangers should hang around and see if they get him at good price. If not, they have Ogando, Tepesch and probably Colby Lewis.
1) McCann will be just turning 30 by the time spring training starts. He still has a couple years left behind the plate and if not, we can always move him to first or dh. He's had 6 straight seasons of 20+ homers despite the injuries u mentioned. I seem to recall AJ being 37 and he had a nice season. Its not usually good to give a 30 and up catcher multiple years but he doesn't necessarily have to play catcher to be successful ( Victor Martinez, Napoli).
2) I'd rather have Nap but like said above, if Bos really wants him back we're probably screwed in a bidding war. I haven't seen enough or heard enough of Abreu to form a strong opinion but sounds like he has a lot of raw power and is a upgrade on Moreland. In which case, u gotta look into it.
3) Don't want Tanaka. Too much money that we could be spending on other needs. If our scouts absolutely love him then maybe, but I'd rather spend the money on a hitter, or 4.
4) Don't really want Garza for some of the same reasons above. If his price comes down to where we can afford it then possibly but id rather spend a lot less money on a lesser pitcher like Kazmir, Nolasco, or Vargas to be our 4 or 5 guy in the rotation.
Rollie, did you really start this thread? Because I cannot tell you apart from Terry (sounds like).
1 & 4) I would not want to tap the shoulder of anyone mentioned in numbers 1 and 4 and say 'Thank you'.
2) I personally prefer your backup plan.
3) For some strange reason, I still feel like Ma-kun (Tanaka) would be in LAD or NY uniform if he came across the US for baseball purpose.
Hiro, some team will pay more for Tanaka than what the Rangers paid for Darvish. One owner will want to appeal to his fans. Cubs and Mets are rebuilding and looking for a guy like him. Yankees and Angels also have the money. Dodgers loaded with pitching so it makes little sense for them. I'd like Tanaka come to Texas but Jon Daniels won't pay over 61 million posting fee which one of the teams I mentioned will pay a higher posting fee for Tanaka than what the Rangers paid the Nippon Ham Fighters for Yu Darvish.
Way overpricing Tanaka. He is not on par with Yu as far as skill level despite his outstanding 2013. Tanaka is not looked upon as an Ace, and fits better as a #3, with a better comparison to Hiroki then Yu. At 25 when 2014 season begins, he still haqs high value but more in the $30 to $40m range; and that is if the posting system stays the same, which it may not. Strong thought to push the system where the posting team gets less and the player more. But the future will see if this plays out. Tanaka would be an ideal pick up for the Rangers, with the added benefit of trading a starter [ like Holland or Perez] for a power bat in left [ like Gonzalez, Kemp, Stanton or even Taveras] in a mutli-player trade.. The Dodgers beyond their Big 3 are not that deep in starters, a case in point is their willingness to pick up Edinson Volquez, a 2014 free agent, and toss him into the starting rotation. The Dodgers are seriously considering moving one of their 4 full time outfielders, and though Eithier is the most likely, Crawford too expensive for his current playing level, and Puig a no way, oddly puts Kemp as odd man out. The Cards will be seriously looking for a top short stop instead of a starter, when they fall to the Dodgers in the Championships for lack of of a middle infielder, a multi player deal headed by Andrus, or a more even up Profar for Taveras trade, especially depending on whether Beltran ends up back with the Cards or batting in front of Beltre for 2014.. All of this will make the Garza trade another big waste, especially when considering the potential level of CJ Edwards, and absolutely no reason to sign him to a multiyear deal unless the Rangers want to move a starter. Stanton is unlikely because Miami would only want high level prospects and the Rangers have traded a plethora of those over the last four Julys. Colorado is unlikely to move CarGo unless overwhelmed, like trading YU, and both are very very unlikely. Two other things of interest, somewhat unrelated:  the Rangers targeted and asked the Yankees about Cano back in July, which may mean little because they show "due interest" in nearly all top players, and that Cano wants a deal that will make AROD's or Josh's appear affordable.  Dusty Baker was released by the Reds, will he be in the Rangers bench aside Wash in 2014, especially since Moore has been let go?
1) Cruz might get a long-term deal from some other team, so making a qualifying offer to him is a must. If another team signs him, then the Rangers have the draft pick. If not, then they have a decent DH for a year at $14m. Steep price, but the offense is needed. As JV stated, Nathan will not be a FA, I expect he will opt out and sign elsewhere. As much as I like AJP's intensity and swagger, I don't expect him back either. McCann would be a great addition, but I suspect he will want a contract longer than the Rangers are comfortable with. It may end up with two mediocre catchers (Soto and another) sharing time.
2) I don't think it's as easy as saying sign Abreu. He will have multiple offers, so he can choose which team to go to. Napoli has fit in very well with Boston, and I think they will try to resign him. Obviously, Moreland is not the answer at 1B. Not sure how that gets addressed. I think the easiest solution is to move IK to 1B, Profar to 2B, and Moreland to the bench as a backup 1B/DH/OF. I would prefer signing Shin-Soo Choo for the OF, and have him play along with Rios and Martin.
3) Unless a trade is made involving Perez or other top-tier pitching prospects, I don't think the Rangers will submit a competitive bid on Tanaka. The rotation is solid--Darvish, Holland, Harrison, Perez, and either Tepesch or Ogando (if he doesn't move back to the bullpen). I wouldn't mind seeing a 1-year deal to Josh Johnson either, maybe $8-10m, as a way for him to increase his value for a long-term deal in 2015. The bullpen is also solid, with Cotts, Ross, Soria, Feliz, and Scheppers (and Ogando is best suited for bullpen work). Without adding anyone, this is a very nice pitching staff.
4) Agree. Garza can sign elsewhere.
Stupidest topic that I have ever heard. This puts Hack Wilson to shame. Terrible topic but what else can you expect from Mollie Fingerfucker
les, my image of Ma-kun (Tanaka) is a little different from you have now.
He, I think, is a type of pitcher like a mix of Kuroda (NY) and Garza (mentally) plus a bit of Nomo (if I try comparing him to any pitcher in the present and the past in the US).
However, you say "He is not on par with Yu as far as skill level despite his outstanding 2013."
That hit me because you seem to be on the same page about Ma-kun as an ex-Japaneses baseball player (Katsuya Nomura, a pretty known figure in Japan). The retired player once implied like that Ma-kun is yet a close rival of Daru in terms of pitching skills but has potential to be near or even excel Daru (I interpreted that way).
Well, with the Rangers gone, I am rooting now for Pirates to grab the WS title it is chiefly because of the presence of my really good friend iand his family in PA.
Moving Kinsler to 1b is the single stupidest thing I have ever read on here. Good Lord-the sob can barely play 2b.
Hiro, You mean to tell me that Tanaka has as many filthy pitches as Daru does?
chris(topher), I did not mean that way. I do not think he has a variety of filthy pitches as Daru does.
However, this year he set a new NPB record for consecutive wins in one season. The previous record holder was Astro Inao (set in 1957). So for over a half a century no pitchers had broken the record, including Daru. Doesn't it say anything to us all?
I am aware that many of you folks there regard NPB as something like AAA or a minor league for MLB, but I believe it is still a great record in baseball at general.
Correction I need to make in my last post above. It is not Nomura but some pitching coach of a PL (Pacific League) team. Sorry for my bad.
Here is all you need to know about Less. He thinks we could get Taveras for Profar.That ship never sailed.
I believe the Japenese League is more old school baseball. The hit and run, steal bases, bunt people over and position players to not strike out much. That means Tanaka will be very solid but will he be worth $61+ million? I dont think he will be the "ace" type pitcher that Yu Darvish is. But some MLB team will believe so and post Darvish record amount. Dodgers, Yankees, Cubs, Mets and even the hated Angels will try and Darvish record will be broken by Tanaka. I hear there is a great 19 year old pitcher in your league too. I don't know his name but would like to know about him. I hear he is nasty like Darvish. Could you tell me about that guy Hiro?
Rollie, I know you are a a great fan of Daru as me.
Shohei Otani is still a kid so we had better leave him alone. I try keeping warm eyes on him.
Why don't we move on to some topic like talking about which team would win the WS title?
Kershaw vs. 'Phenix' Verlander. A must-see game.
Btw, Rollie, what are the chances of Pirates beat up LAD?
Shohei Otani. Yes, That's the kid with massive potential. I heard he is the next great thing to come out of Japanese Baseball. Hiro, Pittsburgh has to beat St. Louis first. We all know as Rangers fans that the St. Louis Cardinals are a tough team. I really think Pittsburgh could beat LA but not sure if they will beat St. Louis.
Rollie, you do not sounds like used to be?
What happened with you in Arkansas? Or ... you know?
Ideal Rangers 2014 25 – Man Roster
SP:Y. DarvishD. HollandM. Garza (resigned 4 yrs 50 million)*M. HarrisonM. Perez
*If he fetches a higher price than bring back Colby Lewis for 2 million and use A. Ogando, N. Tepesch, and N. Feliz as insurance in that order
BP:Closer: A. OgandoSet-up: T. ScheppersLefties: N. Cotts, R. RossRighties: J. Soria, N. Feliz, J. Frasor (2 yrs. 4.5 million)…If not then leave it up for grabs in Spring Training, either way…Goodbye Joe Nathan
I’m going to piss you off now:
1B: G. Stanton (acquired in trade sending J. Profar, M. Moreland, N. Tepesch, and other lower level pitching prospects)2B: R. Cano (signed 6 yrs 180 million) 3B: A. BeltreSS: E. AndrusLF: I. KinslerCF: L. MartinRF: A. RiosDH: N. Cruz (accepts qualifying offer)C: A. Pierzynski (resigned 2 yrs 10 million)/ G. Soto (resigned 2 yrs. 5.5 million)Outfield Utility: C. GentryInfield Utility: Y. SolarteFinal Spot open up for grabs in ST
Batting Order: Martin, Kinsler, Cano, Beltre, Stanton, Cruz, Pierzynski, Rios, Andrus
This is my ideal and somewhat plausible scenario…if we fail to get Garza than we should pursue McCann with more fervor, likewise in the likely event if we fail to nab Cano (a guy who could conceivably man 3B once Beltre is retired while giving way to guys like R. Odour and L. Sardinas…just proving his value here, he’s basically a more heralded younger Beltre who’s worth double in this day and age when your battling the Yanks and you got such a good deal on Beltre’s contract in the first place) then you invariably pick one of AJP or Soto and go hard after both Garza and McCann…additionally parting with Profar is more difficult without having the best player in the game to replace him at his would be position. So you hang on to him and move him to 2nd and either tough out another year with Moreland at first or go after Abreu.
This would be the only way to unseat Oakland and hold off Anaheim’s inevitable Law of Averages induced rebound.
This roster barring a rash of serious injuries (even then they’re at least 2 deep at every position except 1B) would win 100+ games in the AL West
I'm going to revise:
SP:Yu DarvishDavid Price (acquired via trade J. Profar, J. Soria + 5 million, M. Moreland, N. Tepesch, PTBNL)D. HollandM. HarrisonM. Perez
BP:Offer J. Nathan a qualifying offer...after losing Soria it becomes a win/winWithout J. Nathan:Closer: T. ScheppersSet-up: A. OgandoLongman/Spot Starter: C. Lewis(resigned 1 yr. 1.5 million)Righties: N. Feliz, J. Frasor(resigned 1 yr 1.75 million only if J. Nathan declines QO)Lefties: N. Cotts, R. Ross
1B: J. Abreu (signed 6 yrs 45 million)2B: R. Cano (signed 6 yrs 180 million w/7 year vesting option for 20 million) ...That's what it takes too outbid the Yanks3B: A. BeltreSS: E. AndrusC: A. Pierzynski (resigned 2 yrs 10 million)/ G. Soto (resigned 2 yrs 5.5 million)LF: I. KinslerCF: L. MartinRF: A. RiosDH: N. Cruz (hopefully signs QO)
Batting Order: Martin, Kinsler, Cano, Beltre, Cruz, Pierzynski, Abreu, Rios, Andrus
Bench (aside from aforementioned G. Soto)4th Outfielder/Pinch hitter #1/Pinch runner #1: C. GentryUtility Middle Infielder PH #3/ PR #2: Y. Solarte2 Corners Guy/CLUBHOUSE LEADER/PH: #2/ PR #3: M. Young (resigned for minimum)
This pitching staff with or without Nathan would be tops in MLB, the starting rotation would be #1 and the bullpen would be top 3 or 5 in the AL and VERY inexpensive if you don't retain Nathan.
On the hitting side of things if everything were accomplished as such the offense would contend with Boston, Detroit, St. Louis, and both L.A. teams and would thus make the Rangers odds on favorites to win the division handily and with its Ace-ridden starting rotation, talented and versatile bullpen, and top 5 offense it has to be favored over Boston and Detroit. All things being equal sans Cano and the Rangers find themselves in a tough race with Oakland and perhaps Anaheim if they can get some pitching...and another September slump might relegate them to another tough Wild Card/Tie breaker bout. Gentry would be productive, as a full time player, but that slightly above average bench is an advantage that would be stripped sans Cano. Depth is hurt in both the infield and outfield unless the club makes a more conservative splurge for Ellsbury or Choo, though neither player represents the legit .310 #3 hitter that gives Beltre and therefore Cruz protection thus making the whole lineup immensely more intimidating. Bottom line is with the TV Contract kicking in and a very cheap bullpen and system to sustain said price level, the quasi unarguable best rotation in MLB locked up for a while at wages far below market value (D. Price will be an exception in 2 yrs). The time to go the extra mile to cripple the Yanks and elevate your offense from above average at home and usually average away to elite in all venues is now. And that's the justification for making that signing considering the previous moves being made...it completes a roster construction that won't have any weaknesses at any level (major or minor) for at least the next 3 or 4 years meaning minimal FA signings (aside from you know who's).
My thoughts? You don't have a clue!
JDingleberry, you are at it again. First you say that this post you have less interest then the Havk Wilson, which in your morinic feeble mind tried your best to sabotage. Then you insult two posters who offer a lot of thought and debates on baseball, whether you agree or not and those being Les and Rollie.. Here is all you need to know about JDingleberry, he is a baseball ignoramus, a racist slob , with some sort of weird hang ups from social to sexual, all which fits into the category of who gives a shit. But above all this low life is his constant moronic posts, most that fir in the category of why bother, and tries to offer the greatest insult by insulting a posters name. That alone is beneath contempt,a nd the only advice I can offer is JD hopefully you will not run into any of the plethora of posters you have insulted over a way too long posting time. Nearly everyone is wise to you, and the majority have already left and you would do that this forum may have a chance of returning some of the old posters. But as long as your malignant self persists, then this forum is dead. So why do you not go off and create your own forum, your pathetic sabotaging of this forum has done its work. Besides, your identity of 'JD' is constant reminders to all true Rangers fans of the worse excuse for a GM in baseball, because of media some how is hyped to 'the wonder boy'. Every other GM is grateful for that, for they know they can rip off the Rangers in any trade. Dempster, Garza REALLY, Epstein knows what phone number to call to pilfer another teams talents. It is time for a big change before it is too late, on a team that has great success despite of their GM's pathetic performance in trades and top draft choices, with the only thing to keep the Rangers afloat for development was targetting the International talents. If that was Daniels decision, which it probably was more pre scout directors, then I give him credit for that. But this team seems to be splintering at the top between JD and NOLAN, and their is a fundamental difference in their baseball background, almost dipolar, and the future success of this organization is at stake.. This team as structured and its disastrous attempts by its current GM for quick fixes, can send it plummeting to ASTROville. in a very short few seasons. Even a closer look at this seasons record shows that is only propped up by great success over but 3 teams, and a bottom team record against the other teams.. So this off season is critical to future success and an aggressive fiscal effort is needed, to target the best run producers available, with decisions on who will be a catching, first base, left field and DH. There is still a core group of talent, but the holes must be filled, and for a change is not so much with the pitching core, though resigning Nathan or both sides agreeing to the 2014 option would help. Joseph do a correlation study between Cano and Kinsler and what emerges is how close in actual run scoring and production they have been over the last 7 seasons. So no way does the Rangers do a 6/$180 or a staggering $30m a season. Even the Cano camp at its top deal is pushing 10/$300 is the same average season salary. The Yankees have offered in the past months 8/$172. The Yankees will come back and up their numbers but only a tad more. Even at that initial level averages a 21 1/2 a season. Way too high for a second baseman who is only a marginal improvement over the incumbent, being that both are all star level, and the same years old by the end of this month. IF Cano can be signed for the 7/$140-150 then it becomes a major consideration, and before then he has already resigned with the Yankees. So move on past CANO, though he would look great in front of Beltre.with Kinsler sliding over to first making the infield defense even stronger.So with Cano out and the Rangers not wanting for a quantum leap in team salary, have about $70 M to spend if initally removing all free agents or potentials on the current roster, including MY''s last $10m owed. Therefore, the Rangers could target 7 players in the $10m range or 5 at the QA level.. That puts Cano and Ellsbury as too expensive. This makes best targets for bats as: Cruz, Granderson [ who Williams of the wSox are targeting], Choo, Beltran [ who would want to stay on the East Coast if the Cards do not resign him], Byrd, Napoli, Morales, Morneau Abreau and at catcher: McCann, Pierzynski, Ruiz, Soto, Navarro or even Saltalamacchia, in probably that order of want. Forget Garza, and lump it into another JD disastrous trade [ give away]. A few more of those, and in too few seasons the Rangers are looking up to the Astros. And for pitching keep Nayhan either by agreeing to the mutual option for 2014 or a 2 year contract, possibly Frasor. Make a bid in the $30M range for Tanaka [ it may not win the bid, but any higher is way out of proportion for his talent level; but he would be a nice #3, allowing both Feliz and Ogando to pitch out of the pen] Other better options then Garza, for cost and/or talent level are: Lincecum, Jimenex, Nolasco, Kazmir, JJohnson, even bringing back Colby. A must is high talent/ high run production out of 1b, LF and DH. Best guess as to the 5 to 7 FA signs are : AJP & Ruiz as catchers [ can sign both for the price of McCann[, Cruz, Nathan, Frasor [not anothjer JD Uehara double blunder, though Frasor is not quite a Koji], Beltran or Choo and Abreu or Morales. Napoli would be nice but he has proven to the RedSox he is a healthy first baseman and will reign probably to numbers that reflected the original offer last November.
If Nolan was our GM then Oswalt would be our Opening Day starter
Hiro, I do live in Arkansas and have lived here 11 years. This part of NW Arkansas is kinda Cardinal territory. During the 2011 World Series I certainly heard it. And Hiro if you like American College Football only watch the SEC but don't be an Aggie fan.
Rollie, unfortunately, you were right. Cardinals was a tough team for Pirates to beat...
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