What is your opinion of the A.J. Pierzynski signing?
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The Dodgers are going to the playoffs, the Rangers sadly are not. The Dodgers somewhat view themselves as a shut down closer away from World Series bound. They could also use a 4th outfielder who can stay on the field. The Rangers have several options as closer, and it does not matter anyway this season. So Soria or Feliz could step into that role for 2014. The Dodgers outfield is strong with Crawford, Ethier and Puig and a serviceable 4th outfielder would help. Closers, especially one of the top two percentage save closers in the history of the game, are expensive. Figured out where I am going yet. The Rangers need to build an outfield with some power for 2014. The Dodgers have an outfielder they seem to not able to keep on the field, and has in the last 4 years has had a MVP year, but nothing big in the other three. He is also under contract through 2019 at $21m per season. So going forth, the Dodgers could lower pay roll over an extended time in the future, even though they seem like an endless money pit; cost accounting will eventually be a consideration. It would be a lot to give up, so it depends on how much the Dodgers want it now. The proposed trade would be Joe Nathan and David Murphy to the Dodgers for a soon to be 29 year old center fielder who has appeared in but 62 games this year and has but 5 homers and 27 rbi: Matt Kemp. An outfield for 2014 of Beltre- Kemp- Martin has the potential of 4 to 5 tool players at all three positions. This would also not affect the Rangers continuous attempts to trade for Stanton, this season, which is not happening, or more likely if it ever goes down, this coming off season. The Marlins would only want young talent, prospects or major league ready players at minimum salary, and trading Nathan would have no impact on that. Thoughts?
My thoughts are the Dodgers would hang up on Daniels if he made that call.
JD, your thoughts mean nothing to anyone anymore that you have not already insulted off this forum, so why do you continue to post on any forum topic but your own. There you can post to yourself under any name you wish, until your heart's content
Here's an idea Leah--run along- go vaccuum something.
Nathan and Murphy for Kemp. That has to almost top the list of most ridiculous proposals on this board.
Lee--you're on to something, but you're out thinking yourself.
Andre Either is the odd man out.Trading Joe Nathan for Either is a no brainer. It should be done before midnight.All he needs is a change of scenery.And the money bags Dodgers will probably pick up half his $80 million salary--five years control!
If he doesn't work out--he's a great trade chip.
Giancarlo Stanton---Would you trade Derrick Holland, Jurickson Profar, Luke Jackson and Luis Sardanis?That's what i think it would take!
Terry, Ethier would at first thought seem the more likely. Ethier's and Kemp's numbers are not that far different. Ethier is in his 8th season with the Dodgers, just as is Kemp, but he is two years older. Ethier's numbers are : in 3872 ab 534r-136hr-571rbi, with 419w/738k that produces .288/.361/.469 and a career war of 17.9. This compares to Kemp's numbers of 3493ab 568-156-553, 308/912, .293/.358/.494 with cWAR 19.8. So over their whole careers, the two are not that far apart. More power and a Top 2011 season for Kemp, Ethier shows more discipline without any real separation in run production. The thought on Kemp instead of Ethier is that The Dodgers for this season at least, do not seem to be able to keep Kemp in the lineup and off IR, and they want to go all the way this season. With a shutdown closer, this will tip the scales heavily in favor of the Dodgers. A point however to be made as we all know, Murphy is in his walk year and Nathan has a team option but if finishes 55 games this season, he also is a free agent. Currently he is at 39, with an excellent chance to hit that 55 finishes. Murphy would also have value as a 4th outfielder to the Dodgers and has a good track record with the bat in August and September and finishing off seasons. So for the moment, Ethier holds more value to the Dodgers then Kemp. For the Rangers in 2013, Nathan is not an absolute, they are finished for this year, the games in July could not go any worse, and as the team stands now, there is not enough talent and bat in the starting lineup to go anywhere but towards finishing third or even fourth in tha AL West. The Mariners are playing solid baseball now, and it has gone on longer then just one hot streak.
I disagree with your assessment.Either is much more a possibility than Kemp.And do we need a player that we can't keep on the field?
The Rangers season is not over. This Rangers team is being built for the post season.Getting there is the trick obviously.
And those Stinking A's are about to land Peavy i fear!
But this team will not quit--even if you have written them off.
Nathan for Ethier. If you think the Dodgers would do that you're on drugs.. Murphy is irrelevant-he walks at the end of the year. Surely you meant that as a joke Lee.
Terry, the Mariners would not want to pay Holland's salary, but if they can have a solid August and September, E. Beltre and Perez would hold strong interest. So a Stanton for Beltre, Profar or Sardinas, Jackson and Perez, and a Hickory big bat [ Brinson the most likely] could have an interest to the Marlins, especially if Marisnick and Yelich with Ozuna come through the rest of this season. Perez availability would increase with a signed four to five year extension with Garza. Beltre for the Rangers this year could be shortly in the starting lineup on a near permanent basis because MLB wants to hand out the Biogenesis related suspensions now, so players involved [Cruz} can take their 50 game suspensions this season and can start 2014 afresh. If it comes down to that, Cruz would be very unwise not to take the suspension now instead of delaying it since this is his walk year and no one will sign him as a free agent for what he wants that has the first 50 days off. So an outfield of Stanton/ Martin / Ethier of Kemp would be a major upgrade over the 2013 version. The pitching staff would still be strong and young enough. A starting staff of Darvish-Holland-Garza-Harrison and Ogando would be one of the top one thru five starting staffs in the AL for 2014. A relief corp of closer options like Feliz, Scheppers and Soria with Cotts, Ross, possibily Frasor and may even free agent Nathan again, allowing Feliz to come back as a starter option. would be solid again. Now only if the Rangers could move Andrus in the winter to a team that sees themselves as a defensive wiz short stop away from the playoffs.
JD, posting under aliases again, you insipid weakling.
Fuck you Leah. Your trade ideas show everyone the mental midget you are. Why would I need to post under an alias? That was an ignorant trade idea-you know it-I know it. Your too simple to be taken seriously. Go read about Hack Wilson. LMAO
Trading Nathan to the Dodgers is not my idea, it is the Rangers you moron. Nathan has huge value and can be debated to be the second best closer in the history of the game, only behind Rivera. Ask yourself, who closed this years All Star game.? Nathan has huge value and only an Ethier or Kemp would be of near comparable value. That is why Murphy is included, who as recently as last season had a oWAR of 2.9. He typically has produced much better in the second half of a season. So think and do your homework little boy before responding with your typical crass and ultimately boring and predictable replies.You are definitely in need of new material, you are too predictable no matter what alias you use. But fear not little boy, soon you can go back to your classic posts like 'HACK "OFF" WILSON', ROSS***WOLF or 'MOLLIE FINGERFUCKER ' [after that one, I advise you not to run into Rollie anytime soon, he may not be as forgiving as myself] where 9 of the 10 post were all yours, even if under different names. The only exception was mind that told you it was a weak character flaw to post under someone Else's name, but disregarding everyone's good advise you persisted. But congrats, you have proved to be such an insufferable bore that you have single handedly driven off numerous excellent posters that did have much to say. The Hack Wilson post and your mentally sick cheap shots at trying to sabotage that one, was for me finally enough to write you off as a waste of a human life, and very soon will call it a day in giving you the benefit of the doubt as to actually have anything of interest to post. SAYONARA lil OTAKU.
I am in favor of nathan to Dodgers. But you are aiming way too high if your thinking Kemp. No way do the Dodgers drop him. That woudl be the equivalent of the 2011 Rangers trading Hambone for a closer. Not going to happen. Eithier is much more likely, now your problem is salary. How much would the Dodgers be willing to take on? Because JD has shown that he is Prudent/Cheap depending on your point of view.
On another note, I believe it was Terry who said this team is being built for the post season. You're fooling yourself. This team is past done. Even the addition of a bat can't save this team. They have lost hope, direction adn faith. In fact I can honestly see JD standing pat and lettign the season ride as is. Which in my estimation, puts us finishing 3rd behind the A's and Mariners somewhere like 8 games back. This team has not scored since Friday night the 26th. This team has no key RBI producers. Teams pitch around Nellie and Beltre to get to Moreland and Pierzynski. Elvis has started to come out of his season long slump but even then a single or a bunt hit is not going to hurt you. Kinsler is hitting leadoff until hi slegs fall off so once you get past #1 in the lineup pitching gets a lot easier. And even Kinsler's power numbers are down as are his steals. Don't get me wrong this team could win as constructed with one maybe two more bats. But with Cruz suspension looming and the recent slide, they have lost the fire/drive they had earlier. And I do not think there is anyone who can put that back into them.
Chuck, I agree. Have even suggested that the Rangers be sellers, but that can not be done, too gutsy and a too too realistic look at the team from the offense side of the ball. The heart and core of the Rangers are actually their starting staff that is backed by a solid relief corp. The Rangers are also talking to the AL equivalent of the Dodgers, who also need an All Star closer for the World Series drive. That team is the Tigers. And if you ask me who I see as favorites for that series I would go for a Dodgers versus Tigers World Series. The difference maker could well be Nathan. So what could the Tigers offer the Rangers? If the Rangers are realistic, they should focus on rebuilding now for 2014. So the Rangers looking to 2014 and the Tigers to October ball, a Nick Castellanos, Avisail Garcia, Bruce Rondon or Melvin Mercedes, and a PNL [ and not completed until next year, Corey Knebel ]. That is a very heavy price for Nathan, so the Rangers can also send the Tigers Murphy or even Nelson Cruz [ pending availability] for the Tiger's drive to the playoffs. But at least the Rangers can play the Dodgers against the Tigers to drive up Nathan's value, just as the Cubs did in the Garza trade by implying real or imagined that their was injury concerns [recall Jake Brigham last year] and other interest, the 'dreaded' A's. As a footnote: C J Edwards, already promoted to High A with the Cubs, in his first outing went 5 innings, walked 1, struck out 8 and gave up no runs.. What a foolish give away by the Rangers, and what appears to be against Nolan's desire, having described C J as 'SPECIAL'. AND I think Nolan knows a little about pitching.
Yeah I remember when Nolan brought in Roy Oswalt. That worked out well as I recall.
Yes hindsight is always 20/20. CJ may blossom into th esecond coming of Nolan. But you can't argue with Garza's effectiveness now. Garza was a good move yes expensive in that it cost CJ and probably Ramirez, Olt not so much. But most of us on Twitter and other boards have said Garza alone was not going to get it done. I agree with trading Nathan if for no ther reason than he gives me a heart attack on the mound in close games. But seriously, Eithier plus a prospect or more from the Dodgers is a reasonable price for Nathan and a Castellanos or Garcia plus from the Tigers is reasonable. The rumor is that the Rangers were targeting Smyly from the Tigers which makes no sense to me. We are stacked pitching wise, especially if you resign Garza. But we have no hitters in the pipeline that can help if we did they would have been called up. Please Chirinos? E. Beltre, while he can fit he is no power hitter? Based on what I have read, I have to wonder what JD is thinking as far as a lineup. Is he considering this team the same as the Cards in the 80's? If so, then we are in for a lot more 1-0 shutouts where we are on the losing end. Is Martin the next Willie McGhee? Is Kinsler another Tommy Herr? Beltre is much better than Terry Pendleton so we are good there. But Moreland is no Keith Hernandez. And is Andruz really the next Ozzie Smith? I don't think so. Plus we do not have a Darrell Porter behind the plate or aLonnie Smith in the outfield. So are we really going to try and play Whiteyball? We do not have the "clutch hitter" for that.
Chuck--Didn't you hear about the lengthy closed door team meeting last night.Wash gave them another "damn good talking too"!
There are a lot of games vs LAA and Oakland to be played. At least wait 10 games before all this "sky has fallen" talk!Maybe Rangers can send Nathan and Murphy to Detroit and for Torii Hunter.
I've never seen such a disparity of opinions on a player as i have Andre Either--i think he just needs a change of scenery.Nathan alone wont bring him--but the Dodgers will move him and eat at least some of his salary.
Chuck, If Nathan is traded for Smyly it would be another pointless give away for some one the Rangers do not need. I do not compare the Rangers to the 80s Cardinals but to the 2011 Mariners. And I totally agree, a lot of 1 to 0 , 2 to 1, 3 to 1 losses may just be the immediate future. Terry, I hope Chuck and I are completely wrong, the next three games with the Angels will give a glimpse of the rest of the season for the Rangers. August schedule will be at least better, can not get any worse then the July games. However, I can also see the Rangers offense struggling against the Angels, Mariners, White Sox and possibly even the Twins. Go back to Memorial Day, and check out the Rangers record. They very well may be an under .500 team the rest of the way, like they have been for the last two months.So an 85 to 87 win season may be hard pressed. I have been advocating the Rangers become a seller not a buyer team, when they have something to trade and holding on to top prospects. I agree with trading Olts and Grimm for Garza was okay, and toss in a couple of A player mid level talents. But if the Rangers continue their level of play, and Daniels sticks to his plan to negotiate with Garza after the season, then the Rangers will have made the trade for a 12 starts pitcher with no hope of playoffs. Do you honestly think Garza will stick around on a . 500 team going no where. So the Dodgers and Tigers offer the best option to improve the Rangers, if not for this season then at least next's., and Nathan offers a real option.
The Tiger option has just closed. The Tigers have just traded for Jose Veras for their #6 BA rated prospect in Danry Vasquez, and others not yet named to the Astros.
I do believe Garza will re-sign here.
And Daniels traded Chris Davis and Tommy Hunter for Koji Uehera, Adrian Gonzalez and Chris Young basically for Adam Eaton, signed Lance Berkman and drafted the likes of Kellin Deglan, Jake Skole , Julio Borbon , Blake Beavan, Michael Main, and let us not forget Kasey Kiker all in the first round or supplemental. So pushing for signing a top 10 starter over the past decade at mid season at a cost of less then 1/3 rd his previous season with no loss of team talent is hardly a major mistake. This in no way compares to the disasters that Daniels leadership has cost the Rangers, so what is your feeble point, JD. The Rangers did have a golden opportunity to create a dynasty, and made it to the World Series in back to back years. No small thing, despite Daniels blunders, not because of his guidance.
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