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Matt Garza has been scratched from tonight start. Cubs deal with Rangers near.@ Ken Rosenthal
For Mike Olt, CJ Edwards and a player to be named later.
Did they give him to us ?? Because we just can't be giving up our 'precious' prospects. Olt.Edwards and Grimm. WAAAAAGGGHHHH. This is sooooo sad. What will we do without those PROSPECTS?
JD..its NOT what will we do with those prospects. The question is what will we do with GARZA?He is just like so many starters we have or had...can do a good job for 5 or 6 innings but cannotlast long enough to get the win! I will eat guts ,feathers & all --of a baseball for every complete game he can win!!
Nolan should HIRE you and me and let that GM find more suitable work. Together..or--either one of us individually--could do as good if not better. Besides, Id work for DOUBLE MEAT -BACON -N -CHEESE BURGERS every Tuesday!! Nolan-==Id even settle for a couple of your super hot dogs!
The job is to get us 6 or 7 innings and keep us in the game.Then turn it over to one of the nastiest pens in baseball.
Garza will do that. Have you checked his starts this year?He should get us 2 or 3 extra wins --just enough to win the west.And Garza will look real good in a playoff rotation.
Daniels does it again, this trade will go down with the Adam Eaton [,for A Gon & C Young] Koji Uehara [for C Davis & Hunter], Ryan Dempster, etc. as another horrific trade. At least Garza is a solid #3, but if the Rangers only have him for 2013 then any of the three was equal value, but to give all three, and the final trade was a 5 player deal, with one to be named later. Edwards was a huge mistake, he could be a fast riser and be in the Cubs starting rotation by the end of 2014. Grimm is the equal with Garza on pure stuff, and will slide into the Cubs starting rotation when physically ready to go. And Olt was a Top 50 prospect, and traded at a very low point. The only thing that can salvage a fraction of the give away is that Garza is immediately signed to a 5 yr/$60 deal. The Rangers may soon be without Cruz and their team batting is already headed to a very low point that you will have to go back to the pre-Pudge, pre-J Gon, pre-Clark & Palmero days to find a weaker hitting Ranger team. So JD goes and gets a 2 month rental starter as a solution. If Cruz is suspended and accepts it, the Rangers may be hard pressed to finish at .500 ball. This was a golden opportunity for the Rangers to rebuild and be sellers not buyers, and be back to a powerhouse in 2014.
Edwards will not go from Hickory to Cubs starting rotation next year! Grimm has 2 pitches and can only last 4 innings. Olt could start hitting and be the next Chris Davis, nut with Beltre at 3rd he will not play here. The MLB team needs help now. Now a bat is needed.
So what would be your suggestion Lee?Who would you sell off?What would you try to get back?
Joe Nathan could command a lot with a 1 1/2 yrs left on his deal. So many teams would be heavy suitors and might be wise for Jon Daniels to maximize the value here. Although he is good it is worth considering. Ogando or Neftali could be made a closer next season.
I'm beginning to think Mitch Mooreland is what he is, He is streaky will hit around .255-.275 and will hit with power at times good glove. He could be put on a trade block with his controllable contract for the next few years at a reasonable rate.
Despite the biogenious situation I think there would still be teams willing to trade for a rental slugger in Nelson Cruz with past postseason experience. Bring up Manny let him DH and rotate LF/RF between Martin, Murphy(let his contract run out because no one will take him), Profar and possibly call up some scrub who can play OF. We certainly have plenty of them.
Jason Frasor is another pitcher that could net a value as everyone is looking for a bullpen arm.
Jeff Baker can hit lefthanders and plays 1B, 3B, LF and RF. Some contender would love to have a guy with some pop and can play regularly against lefthanders.
Neil Cotts has been impressive as of lately and Jon Daniels should utilize that situation and max out what value you can get for the guy. Seems like every team needs a reliable lefthanded reliever that is in contention.
Lance Berkman needs to go back to Houston when he finished his career and I think it is possible at the waiver trade period. They just released Carlos Pena and need a DH so let him finish out his last 2 months of the year with the team he was always known for. Maybe Rangers can get back some more international signing money from Houston.
Let the WHINING commence.
Terry, Rollie touched on a few options. It all gets back to other contending teams and their needs. Others of some value are: Peirzynsi, Kinsler, Andrus. A key to improving for 2014 is more punch especially n the outfield. Clearing salary now will allow the Rangers to go hard after free agents like Ellsbury, McCann, Pence, possibly even Beltran [ if Cards think Taveras is ready]. I do not see the 2014 Rangers starting 9 looking anything like the 2013 version. If a defensive minded catcher is needed for 2014 there is Jose Fekix, more bat, then Tomas Telis until Alfaro is ready. I can not see the Rangers making the Garza trade without okaying Garza's contract extension side numbers that were previously discussed with the Cubs, and the Cubs did not want to pull the trigger. So look for a 5yr/$60+ deal. If not, then it goes down as another JD give away.
I love this trade. IMO, the upside potential of Garza far outweighs the strong doubt I harbor for Grimm and Olt to develop into notably productive major leaguers. Somebody here compared Olt's possible coarse of development to that of Chris Davis'. I don't see it. Davis as a Ranger always had a sweet swing and pop when he hit it. He just didn't hit it very often. Turns out he needed nothing more than a change of scenery to excel. Olt, to me, is far from that. I wish him the best, but let the Cubs rather than the Rangers take the chance on his long term development.
And Grimm? I've thought for weeks watching him pitch he's a minor league caliber pitcher thrust into to the big leagues. He's proven he wasn't ready and I wonder if he ever will be.
For me, neither will be missed. But, on top of this trade, another bat is still welcome. Garza makes the Rangers better, but another bat would be useful.
The Rangers still owe the Cubs one or two more pitchers. It could be Neil Ramirez, but the Cubs would not get the second. Sp the Cubs came out as bandits. They could end up with 2 #1 draft choices players in Olt and Ramirez. A starting pitcher whp can get it up to 96 and has already had major league experience. And the real steal, CJ Edwards, I do not think any one realizes how good this soon-to-be 22 year old righty can be. He has matured into topping out his fastball at 98, has as strikeout curve and a very effective change up. His outstanding numbers over 2 years has already put him on the fast track. What a steal for the Cubs in a deal for a pitcher who would be off the team in a little more than 2 months. One thing to realize about pitchers is their rate of injury runs high. So the Cubs trade could be like the Padre trade of Adams for Erlin and Weiland. Two solid talents that may eventually come through for the Padres but were slowed by injuries. It is to be noted that both were starting for the Padres before they were 23. So Edwards making it to the Cubs before the end of 2014, Ozzie, is not out of the 'will not go' reality. All this indicates that Garza, unlike Dempster, will not be just a rental. If he is just a rental, I could see JD being out of a job by 2015, when all goes South for the Rangers. On a relative note, Mike Adams is currently on season ending I.R.. That is the risk when dealing for pitchers, which includes a pithcer who has had arm problems in the past, in Garza. The Rangers desperately needed a top right handed bat much more than another starter who may see all of 12 to 13 starts in his total Ranger career, and that if he stays healthy.
great trade. everyone stop whining. olt was 25 yrs old with bad eyes. grimm couldnt pitch a lick. edwards was 3 yrs away. now go get a bat. NE XT
Lee and Rollie....Why are you so interested in 2014? It should be win now. Trade everyone this year for what? More prospects so the Rangers can boast the strongest farm team in baseball? Maybe we can hang the AAA and AA division banners at the Ballpark! The Rangers are missing 1 bat in left field from having a great team. That bat is not Profar or Murphy. Anyone that can hit of .250 right now would be an improvement.
Good Gawd Lord-I agree with Ozzie.
Lee...Mike Adams on season ending IR is exactly why the Rangers moved on without him. You should be giving kudos to the Rangers, not using him as an example. Your comment that pitchers have a high rate of injury applies to Edwards and Grimm too, not just Garza.
What Garza has that Rangers need now is a pitcher that can go 7 strong innings and get the ball to the bullpen. Grimm and Tepesch cannot do that. Garza just threw a great game against the A's. He has playoff experience. He has faced the American League East before. He was MVP of the division series. Edwards is 2 years away.
Ozzie it applies to all pitchers, as I stated. Adams was used as example as another poor trade by JD, not so much in Adams himself but another example of giving up way too much. Garza is not going to get the Rangers in the playoffs. They should have also taken on Soriano. Now Soriano will go to the Yankees for little or nothing, because the Cubs can now be less demanding now after the Feldman and Garza trades. A year ago Feldman was not worth Britton OR Sttrop, has a mediocre season and the Orioles panic just like the Rangers just did. Garza is good, a solid #3, but as it stands right now, if he stays healthy, his whole career with the Rangers will amount to 12 starts. That is 3 starts per player, including the best pitcher at low A BALL, i agree that Grimm and to a lesser extent Tepesch were beginning to struggle. Tepesch could however be okay until mid-August when Harrison would be back. Ramirez also could have filed the void for 3 to 4 starts. Again, unless Garza is signed long term, this trade will go down as another disastrous give away, ranking with the acquisition of Eaton or Uehera. The Rangers minor league system is not as solid as everyone seems to think. Have you taken a good look at the talents in the minors. If the Rangers are looking for a right handed outfield bat the 4 top choices are: 1. Manny, 2. Solarte [actually a switch hitting utility infielder- who should be given a chance at the major leagues], 3. Joe Benson [ a 5 tool talent who is also a Twins reject, thats the Twins} and 4. Zach Cone, who has been out the whole season on IR. NOT OVERWHELMING. The Rangers also came close to giving the Cubs Rougned Odor, but saved that talent when the Rangers raised questions about Garza's health. The MYSTERY TEAM that ran up Garza's value was, you guessed it, the A's. I repeat, Garza had best be come through for the Rangers, which at least is a high possibility; but more had best be signed to long term. Keep an eye on Edwards, he could be next years Matt Harvey [ though Harvey's 2012 performance, which were very solid for a half season and at the same age that Edwards will be in 2014}.
Edwards could be next years Matt Harvey?Are you familiar with the expression--He knows just enough to be dangerous?He=Lee
Did we just give more in a trade for Matt freaking Garza than we did for Cliff Lee? This trade was horrible.
Shawn - that is hindsight thinking. At the time Smoak was rated a very good 1B. He was ahead of Chris Davis. If the Mariners take Chris Davis instead of Smoak, you think otherwise. Prospect are, and always will be, to make the Major League team better. You cannot count on every prospect making it. You use them to make your team better.
Lee - The Rangers didn't panic, they have wanted Garza for a couple years. It cost a blind 3B, a future bullpen pitcher, and a A ball prospect pitcher in Edwards.
You do realize that the Rangers signed a lot of prospects in the June MLB first year players draft.
I think Travis Demeritte- a 19 yr old ss from Winder GA high school-selected with the #30 pick--on a compensatory pick from losing Josh Hamilton will be a better player than any that were just traded.
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