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The All Star break allows for a reset of the starting rotation. Key for the Rangers are the return of the injured. Darvish has already been slotted for the 22nd, an opening 4 games against the Yankees. Will Ogando be ready to rejoin the starting staff, and would he be the starter for next Sunday's game? Should Grimm be sat [ or sent ] down as one of the five starters? Should Ramirez be recalled or Wolf be slotted in his place? When will Colby be ready? - and - What will be the starting staff on August 1? Will it include Gallardo, Garza, Lee, Peavy, Price, or even a return of Edinson Volquez or someone else? So what will be your 5 starter rotation order starting on the 19th of July? [ and ] Predict the 5 man rotation beginning August 1?
I suggest not wetting your panties on this.
Well if everyone comes back as expected I would like it to look a little somethin like this: Holland, Darvish, Perez, Colby, Soria. I really think Soria would make a good back of the rotation guy. Ogando could just as easily take his spot.
God damn-you think Soria is a rotation piece? Fuck I can't stop laughing. He's on a 25 pitch count you idiot.
HaHaHa--JD you're wrong for that...... Soria will prove extremely valuable in the pen.
The real Terry C says---Rangers trade Mike Olt-C J Edwards-Luke Jackson to Cubs for Matt Garza and Jon Daniels gets 4 yr extension worked out--$50 million
After break---Darvish,Holland,Garza,Perez,Ogando and hopefully Colby Lewis can push his way back into rotation.
CJ Edwards is the second coming of Derek Holland. Not highly touted draft pick, then bulldozes the competition everywhere he goes in the minors. I would like to keep Edwards as much as possible.
Soria as a rotation member has to be trolling at its finest.
Garza, Peavy or any pitcher on the market would deplete or farm system of too much talent.
However staying in house and crossing your fingers for Harrison, Lewis and company isn't a good plan.
Grimm needs more time in the minors.
Darvish, Holland can only take us so far and there is just no low risk way to deal with the rotation. JD has his work cut out for him.
C J Edwards is amazing young talent. Thats how trades go down....you got to give up good talent to get a top rotation piece.
Imagine a 2014 rotation with Darvish, Holland, Garza, Harrison, and Perez. And we could resign Colby Lewis if he returns to form.
The post-All Star rotation has basically been set, barring a few complications [ Unless Holland is named to the All Star game, still not to late if a pitcher drops out and he is actually used, Darvish and Ogando are not ready to come off the disabled list ] the order will be: Holland, Perez, then Wolf against the Orioles; then Darvish and Ogando opening against the Yankees. For August 1, 4 of the 5 are hopefully set. The fifth pitcher though could be Wolf [ though Wash hinted that Wolf should not get too accustomed to starting ] , Lewis [ if his third attempt at minor league rehab goes smooth ], Tepesch or Grimm, or that mystery traded-for starter. I also dislike the idea of trading Edwards, Jackson, and particularly Perez to get a rental Garza. Hopefully, if the Rangers trade for Garza it includes dealing with him on an extended contract. This is based to the Cubs inability to come to terms with Garza, and that they want the equivalent of the #1 2014 draft slot if they hang on to him through the season and offer a contract in November. If the Cubs want a #1 equivalent then the Rangers could offer two. Could see a Garza for Olt and N Ramirez. Toss in a third, with choice of Deglan or Skole.
Leah of Arlingto, you're the reaso women should be banned on here.
Your rotation post AS break is: Perez, Holland, Wolf, Darvish, Ogando. Lewis is the next starter slated to comeback after Darvish and Ogando. Grimm should be in the pen as the long guy until Wolf drops fromm the rotation at which point Grimm will be sent down. I truly expect JD to get Garza and maybe Schierholz from the Cubs in a trade headlined by Olt with maybe Grimm and one other SP prospect. so your Aug 1 rotation should be Perez, Holland, Garza, Darvish, Ogando with Lewis as the long guy/spot starter until his arm is 100%. I also fully expect JD to sign Garza to an extension. So 2014 should be Darvish, Garza, Holland, Harry, Perez with Ogando in the pen as the long guy/spot starter.
great insight chuck. lol
Garza does appear to be the Rangers #1 pitcher trade target. It would make sense only if a condition of the trade is to pick up his remaining contract and extend him to a likely 3 yrs/ $40m contract. Olt and Neil Ramirez, two previous #1 draft choices [ though supplemental] would meet the Cubs demands for an equivalent of a #1 if signed as a free agent in the off season by another team. The case with acquiring Garza is that would it effect the Rangers attempts in the off season to acquire David Price from the Rays? Garza is simply not worth it if he is no more than a rental. The Rangers, of course, can wait to the off season and sign Garza as a free agent. Here Nelson Cruz's status becomes instrumental. Will he be suspended? Will the Rangers offer a contract? Will they then sign him or allow Cruz to go somewhere else for a #1? So obtaining Garza is also ironically connected to the on going Biogenesis investigation, and slows the process.
None of the pitchers on the market are worth trading any prospects for. Especially Garza who at best is a No.4 starter.
The only guy I would be happy trading for is Cliff. But the Phillies have a TV contract to play for and right now he's the only thing holding that team together. I can't see them trading him but if they do it would be unreal to get him back. If we get to the playoffs and have a rotation of Darvish, Lee, Holland, Harrison/Lewis we will be hard to beat.
I can honestly see Daniels just riding it out pitching-wise and gambling that the likes of Colby and Ogando are back and in full swing in August.
^^ Garza is worth it as a rental. Rangers will give up minor league players for a chance to make the playoffs? Yes, do this every time. Price is not a free agent at the end of this year so he is not available. If hypothetically Price was available, the Rays would not want Olt anyway, they currently have a very good 3B. So give Olt to the Cubbies with the single A rooks.
Ozzie, that is right, Price is not a free agent in 2014, in fact he is currently not a free agent until 2016. The Rays are now paying him over $10M. Stated fiscally, the Rays can not afford him, especially going forward. They will trade him this coming off season because they are due to make another contract that would run to his free agent season. The Rays can not afford that probably $25m over the next two seasons, so it would be the ideal time to get the most for him. Enter the Rangers, though there would be competition from other 'have' teams like Boston, New York and the LA teams. The Rays will be reluctant to trade within their division, and would look at the best prospects package. The LA teams are not strong in that direction. Three surprise teams in that regards are Arizona , Pittsburgh and Seattle. Pittsburgh may not be able to afford Price and resigning A J Burnett, Seattle may be in the same salary situation, but a what a great 1 thru 3: The King, The Price and Hisashi. So this gets the Rays back to the Rangers and a best prospect package available. If acquiring Garza effects the acquisition of Price then hopefully it is a no go. The Rangers have the starters to finish the season. So look to next season when the Rangers can have a starting staff of 4 lefties and Yu. This means not trading Perez away, and next season having Feliz and Ogando in the bullpen. The projected 12 for 2014 would then be: Darvish, Price, Harrison, Holland and Perez starting: Nathan [option for 2014], Soria, Feliz, Ogando and Scheppers from the right and two lefies: Cotts and Ross all comprising a strong pen.
Lee, I am not sure that you scenario on Price will go like that. I agree the Rays will have a hard time affording Price and Longoria but I think Price wants to be there which is a huge factor.As far as Garzo goes, we shoudl know by this weekend if the Rangers got him. But JD has long wanted Garza and if we cna work a deal for Garza and Schierholz with Olt, Garcia, E.Beltre or Gentry, and Grimm. I think we pull the trigger fast. Because with E. Beltre out of options and basically a younger Gentry losign either one does not hurt us at all. Grim is what he is a young prospect, Olt's value has fallen some but he is still ranked pretty high. And finally Garcia will never play in Texas again while Wash manages. So that pool of prospects does not hurt you at all. Now will it be enough? That is the milions dollar question. But you have to think that is more than anyone else is offering.
Nobody gives a fuck, Chuck. You are so incredibly stupid.
If the Rangers do trade for Garza without a 3 or more year contract agreement, that will be a major mistake. Weighing what the Red Sox, Indians, Blue Jays and Cardinals would offer for Garza, Olt and a high level pitcher like Ramirez/ Griimm/ or Tepesch is enough: and the Rangers may consider that an overpayment.
leah, calm dow the rangers know what they are doing.
Lee, Cliff Lee wasn't a guarantee to sign either, but it got the Rangers to the WS. It is ALL about getting to the WS. Garza could be the same. If the Cubbies want Olt thy can have him, he wont play in Arlington anyway. Throw in Grimm and E. Betre too.Our current Wild Card starting pitchers right now will not win that series. Yu, Holland, Perez, Grimm and Tepesch? Grimm and Tepesch can only pitch to the 4th inning. Dont say Colby will be back, that is a uncertain. Dont say Harrison will be back that is more of an uncertain. Now our best of 5 pitchers are Yu, Garza and Holland.
Expect the Garza deal to come down soon--maybe before the All Star Game.
The Rangers got Cliff Lee before the break. With a potential rental every start is crucial . If you can get a torp without disturbing your 40 man roster you got to do it.Prospects come and go.Flags Fly Forever!!!
Good idea Terry C. I just wish I was an optimistic as some are in here on winning the WS
The Rangers as of today should move away from Garza and focus on Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez. Today he was cleared by OFAC of the Dpt of the Treasury, and is now an available free agent not subject to J-2 procedures and restrictions. To update: Miguel is a 26 year old Cuban currently in Tj. He is about 6'3", sets at 90-94, topping out at 96 with a 77-83 mph change up and forkball. The Rangers will have to compete with the two LA teams, among others. His final deal will likely be in the 5 yr/ $60 m range, so he will not be on the cheap, but a choice of Garza or Gonzalez [ roughly at the same salary terms if Garza is signed to a contract he wants] is an entertaining choice. Garza on the Rangers would be a solid #2 to 4, Gonzalez has a higher upside but also a potential greater risk.
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