What is your opinion of the A.J. Pierzynski signing?
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Mariano Rivera is 40 years old, still pitching extremely well, and is first in baseball history in ERA+. Among active pitchers, he’s ranked first in ERA, WHIP, H/9IP, K/BB, HR/9IP, WPA, and fielding percentage. (Go ahead and carefully re-read that last sentence.)
...Discussions of the “best ever” in sports are always difficult but perhaps none are more difficult than baseball pitchers. The way that pitchers are used has changed so dramatically that it’s tough to compare pitchers today to pitchers from 100 years ago. Rivera is certainly the best closer in history but how can we go about evaluating him on the same scale as pitchers who threw complete games virtually every time out and didn’t often have the benefit of a bullpen behind them?
...The bottom line is that Rivera has amassed the best numbers in MLB history, albeit over many MANY fewer innings than many other Hall-of-Fame quality pitchers, but also did it under just about the most difficult circumstances.
Now, the thought -- at least a few years ago, that is -- was that starters moving to relief generally lop about 25% off their ERA, and I would assume the opposite holds true if you're a reliever moving into a starting capacity ... adhering to that theory, Rivera would still have a sub-3.00 ERA in his career if he was a starter. Not the best ever, of course, but very good. And there's not much reason to believe that Rivera, despite having the best RATE stats ever, is more VALUABLE than a Pedro or a Clemens in terms of actual value added. But it's something that seems to come up over and over, and something worth thinking about.
He is on the same legendary status as Hack Wilson
It is proven that Rivera has been great as a closer. And now you try applying your formula --- best closer = best pitcher.
I do not like simply the way you use stat to justify your claim. Keep searching for your best player. It must be endless.
Mariano statistically is the best closer in the history of the game. The best pitcher in the history, far from it. Rivera has been an immensely effective one focus pitch [very moving cutter] closer since 1997. However, if you go back to the Yankees' attempt to make him a 25 year old starter, he was a very pedestrian 5.51 era with a 1.51 whip and 9.5 h/9, 6.9 k/9. It was over only 10 starts, but it was enough to convince the Yankees he was a reliever not a starter. So to compare him with Nolan Ryan, Roger Clemens, Pedro Martinez, even a Justin Verlander or a Yu Darvish is just no comparison. If any of those 5 was used in most of their careers or future career as closers, they would be touching over 100mph on a fastball with devastating secondary pitches. And those 5 are just the more contemporary examples. Moving from starter to reliever can add as much as 5 to 7 mph on their heater. [for example, check out Tommy Hunter's fastball now] Imagine a batter facing a Nolan or Roger who will put up a heater approaching 110, yeah hard to believe but that was the thought if both topped out, which you can as a closer. The picture is a Aroldis Chapman but with an arm that is placing the ball on a quadrant of the plate, not just heaving it toward a mitt. So, leave Mariano with the distinction of the greatest closer in the game on a very winning team over his whole career, and for me a bigger score- on the same team ;and leave it at that. Time, team and circumstances had a lot to do with his fabulous run, but he does not match up when compared to the all time great pitchers, slash starters.
I though Joey died.
Why does no one reply to the great Joey?
The guy is posting his opinion. Ans now you all ignore him. That is NOT American nor Japanee.Terry C!? Where are you? Eric reigning (I have not heared for a while)? Where is Andy (smart enough to tell an opinion)?
Rivera's great, no question. What I'm most impressed by is how at a very late age he's come back from major knee surgery and has held up physically. Berkman and Jeter couldn't and I don't think many other "old" men could either.
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