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I really don't get all the joe nathan hate. I understand he can get a bit scary and make you doubt life half way through the inning. But he's a professional who's been closing games for years. Hes had a solid year so far, he has an excellent track record, don't doubt the guy until he implodes and can't finish innings. It doesn't matter how shaky his innings are, wash is not going replace him. Everyone thinks sheppers would fill that roll bc he's had success as a set up man, ITS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. look at david Robinson last year for the Yankees, he was probably the best reliever in baseball but couldn't save games with a 3 run lead. Joe Nathan is the most qualified guy on our roster to pitch the bottom of the 9th, if sheppers has success in the 8th, why move him? Don't try and change what's not broken.
I started the Joe Nathan Thread because of what you just said " I understand he can get a bit scary and make you doubt life half way through the inning"Just like MY last yr I don't hate him, I don't wish him harm I just think father time is catching up to him. It's only the regular season and he's scary what happens come October? do you still want a "scary" closer? I want a lock down guy that the other team sees coming out of the bull pen and says well shit it's over now.
So your solution is to bring sheppers into a roll he's never been in. And you expect him to be a "lockdown" closer? Nathan is the best we have, and that's not a bad thing.
You wouldn't see any drop off in production if Scheppers closed games than if Nathan did. And if you really want to look at the pitcher who is used in the most high leverage situations it's not Scheppers or Nathan. It's Robbie Ross. He comes into games with men on base, and he gets out of the jam most of the time. Closing games is no harder than pitching in the 7th or 8th inning. That is a stupid stupid myth.
Someone had to bring it up.
What's so scary about ONE blown save through 79 games played? The only save he blew, he didn't even lose the game. We're not talking about Jose Valverde here, we're talking about Joe Nathan. The guy has two first names, shut up already. You want to talk about problems, how bout you start talking about Oakland. They're the only thing standing in the way, NOT Joe Nathan.
Regression will come at some point, but Jesus, his ERA is 1.6 or something. Give it a rest.
Why are people complaining about Nathan? All closers generally make it interesting. They are getting the most important outs of the game. The ones that win the game. Veteran closers like Rivera and Nathan also get the benefit of the doubt from umpires because they love the veteran closers. Joe C, I have watched Rangers games for 20 years and if Joe Nathan is so bad go look back at this clubs history. I been watching since I was a kid in the early 90s and this period of Rangers baseball is better than any we had before.
Robbie was so scary last night, he almost allowed the tying run to be on deck. A base runner got all the way to second or third but I don't remember because I was so scared, he should never pitch while the Rangers are up. He should only "mop up." I mean look at the game vs the Yankees, he allowed two inherited runners to score and allowed 2 runs of his own. Buck teeth Mohawk needs not to pitch with a lead.
But Scheppers he doesn't scare me, he shoots you right in the head instead 3 in the kneecap. Look at that game winning homerun by Suzuki in NY, he quickly got that game over with. Wash needs to learn how to manage his bullpen better and not save Nathan for the infamous "hypothetical inning." But wait, I thought it doesn't matter where you slot your best relievers because their wouldn't be any drop off in production, if any. Hmm. But then again, I probably shouldn't judge it by such a "small sample size." I've got a lot of thinking to do.
See, you go too far in making a point. And your point becoms silly.
The Ross, Scheppers, Nathan bridge to close games is one of the leagues best. They simply do not blow many games. On the contrary, it's the prime reason the team is still where it is in the standings, despite two rookie starters and the 5th spot being held by a collection of career minor leaguers.
Wash needs to do a better job? How so? He manages a bullpen well, but every mamager sometimes has to get performance out out the 4th & 5th bullpen guys. But you've gotten 4 wins out of Cotts, 4 wins out of Ross, 5 wins out of Scheppers. Nathan's saved 26 out of 27. Where do you see Wash managing this better?
This team is built a lot around the old Atlanta Braves model. As a result you get a lotof 3-2 & 4-3 games. As a fan you ave to nut up and enjoy the ride.
Tanner is defiantly the best reliever we have, but moving him to the ninth would just mean Nathan will pitch the 8th,,,,wouldn't matter much in the long run
Rich P, pitcher wins are irrelevant. The important thing is getting quality innings from those back end guys. Texas has only lost one game after having a lead after 7 innings this year? That's what has the Rangers leading the entire league in relieve WPA. Texas has far more shutdowns in the pen than they do meltdowns, and that's why I want them to no be exhausted.
You tell Scherzer his 12 wins are irrelevant Mr. Smarty Pants.
You tell Cole Hammels his 11 losses are relevant. Laughs will ensue.
ABOUT ROBBIE ROSS where someone said.."he shuts them down MOST of the time".He has done a decent job in HOLDING...but to shut them down MOST of the timeas a CLOSER, is just NOT acceptable. True, SO FAR Nathan has only one 'blown' save--SO FAR. As it was said. what happens when it comes Sept=Oct? Ive had four attacks so far(literally)..I don't want to have to take more Nitro as his arm is weary this Fall.....He scars the dirtydiaper already.out of me now, when with men in scoring position men BOOOOM.."there'sa LONG drive to deep left field. Murphy goes to the wall...AND.......??"....
When all else has already been complained about, Rangers' fans find it necessary to pick on Joe Nathan, who has converted all but one save in 2013.
Am I a fan of the save stat? Of course not. Has the arc of Joe Nathan's season worried me at times? Absolutely. But if you are asking me to prioritize aspects of the team that concern me, Nathan would probably be somewhere like #10.
There are bigger issues. Elvis Andrus is being one, but for some reason he's been given a free pass by the majority of the fan base.
Elvis Andrus is an adorable little guy, eric, nobody can speak ill about him. Plus most people don't understand his job in the 2 hole so they move onto a non issue issue(Nathan). Every time Elvis comes up to bat, I think to myself, "okay Elvis, is this the at bat where you get a fuckin homerun or what," and it never is.
Same ol boring BS I see
Eric, Elvis is getting a pass because the Rangers can still win games if he doesn't hit. His defense still makes a difference in wins and losses. Thats why I am giving Elvis a pass, but not Berkman. DH only guys remind me too much of the steroid era.
You remind me of the IDIOT ERA.
This logic is completely bunk. If Elvis gets a free pass because the Rangers can still win games, then how is it not okay to give Nathan a free pass? The team has obviously continued winning games.
Elvis Andrus is a #2-hitting shortstop. He's being paid franchise-player money, and he really hasn't shown anything in the last three years to suggest he's anything more than a light-hitting SS with an above average glove. What Elvis Andrus does in the lineup has a significantly larger impact than anything a relief pitcher does.
He deserves to be the 9th-place hitter, and I'm really beginning to be confounded as to how fans look for petty issues with players like Nathan, Ian Kinsler, and Lance Berkman, when the real problems get a blind eye.
Elvis is due franchise player money, but I wouldn't say he's being paid it yet. That being said it would be nice if he could create a lot of surplus value for the back end of the extension. His 55 wRC+ is not okay, and hitting second for him isn't an option. He needs to be hitting 9th in this lineup, but it's not going to happen, because of the manager.
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Elvis is a multiple all star before age 24. Why are we complaining about him? Spending money on younger players is the best way of going about it. Eric just has too much Berkman lfetish but another regular all-star Manny Ramirez was brought in to replace Berkman,
OK..Nathan's luck has run out. No longer can u say "he has saved all but one of his attempts". Have U noticed how much more TIME HE SPENDS STEPPING TO THE SIDE OF THE MOUND...RUBBING HIS NECK, FIGGITING WITH HIS CAP. etc. We used to call that 'stalling'. Every player has his unique "habits" whether at the plate or on the mound; but Nathanis spending more time at it and doing it much more often than previously. My experience would tell me that there is something WRONG. Either physically or with his confidence, Nathan is NOT the same closer he was in May/ June.
For awhiile, looked like Detroit was wanting to deal for him but they got a mediocre closer elsewhere instead. Nolan and theboys are doing good in trying to move him NOW while he can still being a top price. To wait too long, we will face a HUGEpay check to write him after the season closes. (I think we still owe something like 9 mill if we keep him--not sure).
Trade him in the next two days for a BAT...save millions..and maybe still make the Playoffs....Playoffs? PLAYOFFS????
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