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A while back Eric put up a post titled 4 open questions, one of the questions was if every one were healthy what would your bull pen and rotation look like.I left Nathan off my roster and caught quite a bit of flack over my decision. Well last night is a perfect example of why I wouldn't put him on my roster! Yes he got the save, Yes we won the game but that SOB is scary every time he takes the mount and I think he is more lucky than good. He takes the mount he walks one gives up 1 or 2 hits has to throw 20 something pitches to get out of the inning. it's hardly ever a clean 1 2 3 inning! And Mr Nathan is in his mid 30's I don't see him getting any better.
Are you on drugs?
He walked Lowrie after another dumb call by the 3rd base umpire when he DIDN'T check his swing, Elvis was called for going around on a much less swing of a swing. Lowrie or should have been out, Martin would catch the line drive 10 out of 10 times and then a pop up to end the inning. It was just our luck having Baker as the umpire last night. He wasn't calling much right. Nathan has a track record and is the only one on our team who can do what he does.
Yep--Joe escaped by the hair of his chinny chin chin last night. How demoralizing would that have been he he had blown that save!
I thought Nathan was losing it at the end of last season. I really feared that he wouldn't be effective this year.But--he has been damn good this year.But-he scares me too.Scheppers looks like closer material. If Soria regains his form--and how can we tell now ?--he is a closer!
I don't think this Rangers team is going to make the playoffs.
And when that call comes inquiring about Nathan--deal him while he has value.He's not mid 30's--he's 38.
Did we win last night? How many blown saves does he have for the year? Was he the pitcher of record for blowing that save?
Yes we did, 1, and no.
He's doing his job exactly like he should, even if the process is uncoventional. He has had 1-2-3 innings as much or more as the high stress innings, but so much of last night as mentioned above went against luck and he STILL got the save. If you don't have Nathan in your closer role in October, something is seriously wrong with your head.
If Soria, when he comes back, is effective, then I have no worries about Nathan because Wash will be able to use Soria for an occasional save to give Nathan a rest. I agree Nathan, like so many Rangers, got tired at the end of the season last year. At his age, he probably will again if overused in the second half. Soria could well be the answer to that problem.
Beyond that, it's easy as fans to overreact. We expect perfection from our closer and when he gives up a run we get too worried. The time to get worried is if he gives up a run in four or five consecutive outings, not just one.
RangerbourneI said in the OP that yes he got the save and has only blown one all yr BUT he hasn't had as many clean innings as he's had scary!and per Fan graphs http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1122&position=Phis velocity is down across the board his K's are down walks are up also his WHIP and BABIP are better than his average.Now being 38 almost 39 I tend to doubt his velocity is coming back so K's and BB's are probably about where they should be but if his WHIP and BABIP go back to his average he's going to start blowing saves!
Granted, but here's the deal. His job is to come in with the lead and win the ballgame. He's been 21/22 this year. (.966) His peripherals can be complete shit, but as long as he is winning the games, that's the only result that matters for a closer.
OOOOOH--he's had scary innings
Nathan has a track record and is the only one on our team who can do what he does.
Truth is, we could chuck Tanner or Robbie into the 9th inning role and very little would change. We could throw Neal Cotts in the 9th inning and very little would change.
The "role" of the closer is pretty overrated, but I think it's nit-picky to complain about Nathan right now. He's getting the job done.
That's true, but imagine the scenario where Wash throws either of them in the 9th in a one run ball game, just ' cause, and it's just not their night, gives up the tying run plus one, Rangers lose. How much heat would Wash get? The only way I see any pitcher getting the chance would be if Nathan is simply that worn out or he blows a few saves in a row. Even then, I don't see Wash going to anyone else.
Besides, Nathan hasn't done anything but proven he's still a good closer, so this topic is irrelevant.
What you have pointed out so far about Nathan is a nightmare for us all Rangers fans. You need to recognize the impact you've made on us because I believe we all know he is aging in terms of pitching.
Joe. C, you may be right or wrong; so, let us all witness how far and well HE can help RANGERS win.
I guess you are one of the greatest fans of Nathan, ain't you?
Hiro: Is your last name SHIMA?
No--but i'm pretty sure your middle name is numb nuts
As awful as this club has been, you are complaining about Joe Nathan? That is like like having stage four cancer, and the doctor decides to only treat a small scratch on your arm. Pleeeeease!!!
Joe....the for most part, I agree with you. Nathan scares me to death when tries to close out a game if we only lead by one.IN MYfeebleOP...Use Scheppers more (or as it was said, Soria if he comes back smoking). With all the heat and humidity in this area and at his age; Nathan seems to run out of 'gas' with his fast ball in a hurry. If you watch closely, they aren't even offering to swim @ a breaking ball unless they have two strikes. THEY KNOW to sit and wait for his 'fast ball' which has dropped from 94+ to 90 or less. With Schpepers (like Yu) they don't know what is coming at em..95 mph smoke or 85 mph off the table breaking stuff.
I AGREE..trade Nathan while he can bring a top price! Get that STUD bat or ace and go on and win the World Series. We are just THHHAAAT close to being able to take it all the way! Moving Nathan NOW hurts less than losing any other young stars we have!....Yeah, JD; I know...u think Im full of it.
Actually I agree about the 'feeble opinion' part.
Glad you finally found something you can agree with me.
I think you have to be careful with Soria this season, so as to not overwork him. Next year he should be full strength.
As for using Scheppers to close....give me the veteran Nathan in a high-leverage playoff game. Scheppers time will come soon enough, no sense in throwing him out there to close out games now. And Nathan will not bring a stud bat in return.
MItch Williams says that the 8th inning is harder than the 9th inning---cause the last inning pressure has the batters chasing!
Why would you trade Nathan before you've even gotten Soria back and seen how effective he can be? Why would you assume Soria can just step in right away as the main setup guy if Nathan is gone and Scheppers becomes the closer? Nathan and Scheppers are the only two reliable RH'ers in our pen right now. If we can just be patient and wait until both Soria and Feliz are back which could be in as early as July, if they're healthy and effective we could have maybe the deepest pen in MLB. That'll help us a ton down the stretch as even when Lewis and Ogando are back we could still have issues in the rotation, e.g. how effective will Lewis be, and until Harrison comes back we'll still have a hole at the 5th spot.
Don't think we'll dump Nathan. He's going to stay and easily going to reach the targets that'll enable his '14 option to kick in, and that'll mean we'll have a fun competition for the closer job next year between he, Feliz, Soria, and Scheppers.
We all know how reliable Mitch Williams was. Listen to him talk for 5 minutes and you quickly realize hes worse at analyzing than he was as a ML pitcher.
OMG--i don't feel nearly as crabby now!I hope that game did as much for the Rangers as it did for me.
I'm taking Nathan back off the trading block--maybe we do have a pennant race.
Our bullpen is our greatest strength.If only we didn't have the weakest hitting outfield in all of baseball.................
This would never happen, but I'd definitely put a phone call in to the Tigers to see what we would have to package with Nathan for Castellanos. Maybe a Nathan, E. Beltre and L. Jackson package could get him. We would be selling relatively high on Nathan to a club going all-in right now and our BP would be fine. Castellanos could provide an extremely cheap alternative to one of the COF spots for the future and would be an upgrade over Murph. But like I said, I doubt Detroit would bite.
you people are idiots
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