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I wouldn't deal Ogando. We might not have viable candidates to fill his rotation spot next year (assuming we don't make a trade for a starter who's signed for next year). Lewis is a FA after the season, and I'm not confident that Perez won't need more seasoning in RR next year. He's just too inconsistent and hasn't put together a dominant season in AAA yet. Grimm and Tepesch are low-ceiling prospects, and Jackson won't be ready next year. Maybe Feliz and Lindblom could figure into the mix for the 5th-spot next season, but they both might be better off in the pen throwing gas in short bursts. With the lack of sure-thing prospects who could replace Ogando in the rotation, might be better to keep him around. I'm confident with time Ogando can develop the stamina he had as a starter in '11, plus it's hard to find starter who throws as hard as he does (currently 17th in average fastball velocity among starters acc. to Fangraphs).
2. My goodness, if everyone is healthy, Nathan - Soria - Scheppers - Feliz - Ogando - Ross - Cotts might be the best bullpen in baseball. For a journeyman, Cotts has really surprised. Wouldn't be surprised we offer him an extension if he keeps this up all season. Throws 92-mph which is pretty good for a lefty.
3. Think Eric mentioned going after Alex Gordon. We need to add a RH'ed power bat though even with Cruz still playing, and Gordon hits lefty and isn't really a bopper. Hits for average though and that's something we could use near the top of the lineup. Despite their current hot streak, think KC just doesn't have the bats to be in contention all season. Maybe they fade before the deadline at which point they could be ripe for the picking. Maybe they'll be willing to deal Shields, and Davis has been a bust as a starter this year but quite excellent historically as a reliever.
If we're not entirely confident that Soria and/or Feliz will remain 100% healthy AND effective down the stretch, maybe we should add some veteran late-inning RH'ed setup guys. Don't really have any RH'ed hard-throwing relief prospects in AA or AAA who are either healthy or don't have control problems. The bad teams will dangle players at the deadline to get prospects. Maybe HOU dangles Jose Veras, MIL Jared Burton, CHIC Kevin Gregg, etc.
Good fun, eric.
1.) Ogando has impressed me the most. He seems to have found the mental fortitude I was hoping Holland would settle into this year. Ogando's injuries have been unfortunate. Kinsler is my hitter. He has rebounded nicely from last year's slide. Again, unfortunate injury.
2.) Idealistically speaking? Darvish, Lewis, Harrison, Holland/Ogando. Bullpen- Holland/Ogando, Tepesch, Ross, Cott, Nathan....whoever. Realistically? For goodness sake, how is there any way of telling at this point?
3.) This club, because of injuries, is in such disarray right now, it's an absolute wonder they're competing as well as they are (As much disdain for Wash as there is out there, I give all the credit to him for keeping this ship steaming forward). Otherwise? Sorry, I can't even begin to get my arms around what the possibilities might be.
4.) The remaining June schedule is brutal. Nine wins (.500 ball) gets them to 47 wins with two weeks before the All Star break. 45 the remainder of the way, 92 total, most likely gets them into the playoffs. I think that's an optimistic way to look at it.
Cotts/Moreland, Ortiz/andrusDarvish,holland,Harrison,Lewis bp:Nathan,shceppers ,cotts,ogando,Feliz,soria,RossRangers need an of and health to be playoff bound and succeed in the playoffs90 wins
@Andy and eric
The Rockies are in second place in the division right now, I think 1 game out of first. While they probably will fall off at some point and miss out on the playoffs, the fact that they are competing and keeping themselves in the hunt seems like it will make them less likely to deal their stars, especially if they are still close to the top in the division come the trade deadline.
Any concern that they do not agree that they are a few years away from competing?
I'm sure the Rockies' front office is realistic. Looking at the team they have on the field, I'm sure they are happy the team has been competitive, which keeps people coming to their games.
By the time the trade deadline rolls around there will be another 40-45 games in the books, so we'll see where we are when we arrive there.
Overall, good stuff.
I'm surprised mostly by everyone's faith in Colby Lewis -- with the consensus being that he should be somewhere in the back-half of the hypothetical 1-4 rotation. I, too, am optimistic about his recovery, but I'm curious if people are high on Lewis, or just not very confident in Alexi Ogando, Nick Tepesch, Justin Grimm and Martin Perez.
If you put a gun to my head, I would say if the Rangers decide to make a big trade this July, it would be very Rangers of them to go after a TORP. I'm not thinking about David Price, because honestly I can't see Jon Daniels and Andrew Friedman coming to terms on anything. They are two guys who almost always get the better of the teams they are dealing with, so to combat each other would prove to be futile. Game recognize game as far as that is concerned; one could even argue that the Rangers and Rays are the two most shrewd American League organizations, as they stockpile talent for the oncoming wars they'll wage against each other between 2014-2020.
Otherwise, I think our team is (mostly) fine. The bullpen is more than solid; the starting rotation -- given health -- is one of the best in baseball; the lineup, as much as we bemoan it, is good enough to win baseball games for this pitching staff.
@ eric----you asked us to construct the rotation considering everyone healthy.
I don't know that Colby will return to form this season but his track record says that he is reliable and has proven to be a money pitcher. A definite playoff rotation member.
I doubt that Matt Harrison will be back this year.Definitely not confident in Tepesch, Grimm or Perez.
We need Ogando in the starting rotation. He can be nasty.
***Thanks for the great topics and insight****
I wish the Mariners would trade Iwakama. What other hitting prospect can we send the Mariners to flounder?
You 2 lovers need to get a room.
Love this idea.
1. Daru for pitcher (successfully making adjustment so far), and Baker (I admit my indecisive swing between him and Profar.) Kirkman & Andrus are my disappointment candidates so far.
2. Daru - Dutch - Harry fixed in that order. Then, talk about the rest as the season will has come to end. 2Ds or 2D's fixed. Pen: Nathan (sing of aging , though, still go-to for Rangers), Scheppers (great potential), Ross, Ogando (I'd like to put him in here), Wolf, Cotts, Soria, Feliz plus Kirkman (hoping his revenge).
3. Allow me to skip this question because I believe the top has been well aware of the things, so we have to keep our eyes on the move of Rangers's management staff, of course, focused on JD.4. Who knows. Some says statistically or data-wise it would be about 94 or 91 wins? I never expect that much win from the present Rangers, though.
Unfortunately I doubt any of the big players get traded before the offseason. I think we all need to lower our expectations and get ready for a name like Josh Willingham. I'd love for the Royals to be our one stop shop with Alex Gordon and Shields, but that's highly unlikely. I could get behind a monster trade package for that duo not including Profar though.
Here's my list of most-likely to be traded COF's:1. Willingham2. CarGo (Brewers)3. Gordon4. Encarnacion5. Bautista6. CarGo (Rockies)7. Stanton
My prediction, we underwhelmingly end up with Lee and miss out on a COF. Willingham isn't worth the prospects he'll garner, the Brewers will want too much for career year CarGo, and everyone else is close to off limits or their GM's will want 1 more year to see how things go. Maybe Toronto will want to deal...
"Alexi, however, is more valuable to the league than he is to us. He would fit into 20-25 rotations, and here, most see him as a solid bullpen arm."
I agree. But if we did trade him it would have to be for a player with a likely huge impact like Gonzalez, as our rotation depth is really being tested, as Terry said here:
"I doubt that Matt Harrison will be back this year."
As do I. SI said yesterday he's not expected back until September. And I don't expect him to look like himself immediately. He's basically gone for the year; anything we might get out of him will be a pleasant surprise.
"Love this idea."
As do I. What will he cost us?
My prediction, we underwhelmingly end up with Lee and miss out on a COF. Willingham isn't worth the prospects he'll garner, the Brewers will want too much for career year CarGo, and everyone else is close to off limits or their GM's will want 1 more year to see how things go.
I don't see Cliff Lee happening, and I don't see why the Rangers would have interest in Carlos Gomez or Josh Willingham.
The Rangers have a bunch of filler players in their organization (McGuiness, E. Beltre, Olt, Profar) who can more or less provide replacement-level production; if Jon Daniels makes a trade it will be for a significant win upgrade. That's why I'm skipping past the bullshit and getting straight into Alex Gordon, Jose Bautista, Carlos Gonzalez and Jason Heyward, as realistic or unrealistic as any of those players may or may not be.
Andy writes: As do I. What will [Iwakuma] cost us?
This is a good question, because we're dealing with multiple factors here.
(1) Seattle's GM is probably on his last leg with the organization, so I'm not sure what his incentive would be to trade away one of his two-best pitchers in what was supposed to be a Win Now type of season. He's made so many poor moves the last few years (Lee for Smoak ; Pineda for Montero ; Fister for bullshit ; Vargas for Morales ; Jaso for Morse) that his fan base would probably burn him to the ground (LITERALLY) if he traded his #2 starter.
(2) Iwakuma is under contract through 2017, according to Baseball Reference. He's in his age-32 season right now, so we'd be trading for his age-32, 33, 34, 35, and 36 season's. I'm not saying that makes me less interested, but it's not like we can pay the Mariners (in terms of prospects) as if Iwakuma is going to be as effective when he's 36 as he is at this exact moment.
(3) The Mariners are a division rival, and typically you don't see teams dealing within their own division. I know we've done it before, but it's not something that happens often. It could just be a myth I have stuck in my head, but I've always thought the price tag automatically increased when it was an intra-division swap.
So I suppose I don't really have an answer as to the cost.
This must be the most worthless Rangers site of all time.
"1. Willingham2. CarGo (Brewers)3. Gordon4. Encarnacion5. Bautista6. CarGo (Rockies)7. Stanton"
There is only one CarGo and he does NOT play for the Brewers.
The Rangers have a stupid amount of arms in their Minor League system. If you package Mike Olt with Martin Perez, either Tepesch or Grimm, Luke Jackson, and 1-2 blue chip single-A players of the non-Alfaro variety, then you could at least get the conversation going.
IF Perez keeps his string of great games in AAA up, that package should be reserved for Stanton...especially if you throw in Ogando. Perez seems to finally be realizing his potential since coming back from injury.
Ogando-Perez-Olt-Sardinas-Brinson should be enough for just about anyone.
Eric said: I'm sure the Rockies' front office is realistic. Looking at the team they have on the field, I'm sure they are happy the team has been competitive, which keeps people coming to their games.
As someone who lives in Denver and goes to a good amoutn of games, I can say, the Rockies FO aren't the sharpest tools,and their owners are complete idiots out to make money... Winning is a secondary goal. Caro and Tulo are all the fans here have, and the two of them put people in the seats. I just cannot see the Rockies dealing them anytime soon, unless they get $$$.
Except for that last part is mine... forgot to turn off italics.
But if they dealt one of them, they'd be saving $$$, and get better in the longterm by recouping the prospects, and since winning drives attendance, that would create more $$$.
Kinda like the Mariners and Felix?
GD JD you are a dumb MFer
The Mariners are a special case. Yes, it would have been more beneficial to their longterm plans if they had traded Felix, because they would have received one of the larger prospect packages of the last decade. At the same time, there are some players out there who you can't afford to get rid of in fear of alienating the fan base. I would consider Hernandez to be one of those guys -- a true untouchable.
The Rockies, on the other hand, have two of those players.
With Tulo on the DL, COL will have a tougher time winning games. It will make me happy if they fall flat on their face very soon.
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