What is your opinion of the A.J. Pierzynski signing?
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AJM of LSB says that, if the suspensions are given and upheld, the earliest they could take effect would likely be late July, but more likely later than that - what with the appeals and all, like eric said.
If this does happen, the Rangers have plenty of time to prepare for it. AJM laid out the likely options in the above article.
Wouldn't mind Beltre up, and he's already on the 40-man so we wouldn't have to do any shuffling. Problem is we'd be replacing a RH-power bat with a LH-weak at so we lose the power and also end up leaning to the left even moreso than we do now. Beltre's also not the smartest baserunner as his 60% SB success rate in RR despite his blazing speed indicates. Still he'd be a cheap and cheerful short-term solution.
You have to think the teams like TOR, KC, MIL and SD etc. that are underperforming relative to their expectations at the beginning of the season will be looking to dump guys at the deadline. Maybe SD makes Quentin available, or SEA makes Morse available. If we're not concerned about the RH/LH imbalance, maybe we target Rasmus from TOR. Not really sure about going after Willingham as he's only hitting .218. Please no Alfonso Soriano too.
Just hope we don't something stupid like deal for Alfonso Soriano.
Don't believe the courts will rule you can suspend without a FAILED drug tes. THINK
The evidece they need is a failed drug test. The lawyers for the players are going to pull up every instance they can to try to discredit this guy from comments made in previous interviews and situations. he has a lot of reasons to fold and turn state's evidence but if they destroy his credibility this will not hold up..
I hate people who say, "I've been a fan of the (team) since the (year) when we had (player 1, 2, 3)."
Nobody cares how long you've been a fan. That's like saying I've been watching CSI since the first season in the early 2000's when they had Grisham or who ever the flag knock. Nobody gives a shit.
As for Cruz, he has a 0.9 WAR. Bottomline-replaceable.
I don't care if the doctor is corrupt or a snitch; if the players did what it appears they did, then I certainly want to see them suspended. Personally, I would prefer MLB and the MLBPA get rid of the 50 and 100 game bans and go with a lifetime ban on the first offense.
This makes you sound like a fascist.
I'm the kid in the kitchen yelling, "BUT THAT'S NOT FAIR."
MLB and the Player's Association have a CBA for a reason. Doctors, priests, attorneys ... their patrons are privileged with confidentiality for a reason. You are saying baseball should fly past the 100-game suspensions (which is actually supposed to be for 2nd-time offenders*) and go straight to a lifetime ban? You are saying you are okay with MLB bullying a doctor into selling out clients who trusted him?
* MLB is saying the 1st offense of these players was using the drugs (for the 50-game ban), and offense #2 is that they lied about it (upping it to 100). A lifetime ban would be quite draconian.
I say no way. These players have rights as well, and I hope this shit goes so long that everyone gets sick of talking about it.
Dan writes, Maybe SD makes Quentin available, or SEA makes Morse available. If we're not concerned about the RH/LH imbalance, maybe we target Rasmus from TOR. Not really sure about going after Willingham as he's only hitting .218. Please no Alfonso Soriano too.
We don't want Carlos Quentin. We don't want Michael Morse. We don't want Colby Rasmus. We don't want Josh Willingham. We don't want Alfonso Soriano.
If it's a short-term fix, the Rangers will utilize what they have within their own organization. If they make a trade for an outfielder, it will be for a game-changing MOTOB.
East writes: As for Cruz, he has a 0.9 WAR. Bottomline-replaceable.
It really annoys me how pessimistic and belittling you can be to other posters sometimes, but I think you hit the nail on the head with this last line of yours.
The point to all of this is that, even if Nelson Cruz is shelved for the rest of the season, it's not that big of a deal. His 118 wRC+ is all he has going for him, as he's a bad fielder and below-average base runner. He's probably worth between 1.0-1.5 wins over the remainder of the year. Not that big of a deal.
Imagine a world where the Rangers' right fielder can actually play defense. That's one less hole in the field for our great pitching staff to be concerned with. There's an easy argument to be made that Engel Beltre + Craig Gentry in a platoon role would be more valuable than Nellie. This would, as a mentioned earlier, make Leonys Martin a no-doubt-about-it everyday player, which I definitely would be comfortable with at this point.
"I hope this shit goes so long that everyone gets sick of talking about it."
I'm already sick of talking about it.
"If it's a short-term fix, the Rangers will utilize what they have within their own organization. If they make a trade for an outfielder, it will be for a game-changing MOTOB."
This. If the Rangers are going to bother making a trade, it will almost certainly be a pretty big deal.
So who would that MOTOB be? If FLO traded Stanton, even less people would go to their games. Attendance-wise, they'd probably end up having to resort to counting all the seniors who accidentally turn into the Marlins Park parking lot thinking they've arrived at the hip-replacement clinic. Stanton might be the only draw for whatever few Marlins fans are left. He has established himself as their only bonafide stud position player so if he's gone why would anyone come for any reason? Don't think Fernandez, Profar and say Olt would really bring out the fans as much as Stanton by himself does, as good as those guys are and could end up being.
Not sure what other upper-tier OF'er we could realistically get. Teams only deal those types of players when they're in their final seasons and aren't a lock to re-sign, and/or when the teams are completely out of the playoff picture at the deadline, and/or they need to replenish empty farm systems. Tough to come up with the name of a superstud whose team will be willing to dump him at the deadline. For example, as badly as they've failed to play up to expectations, TOR is not going to move Bautista. There'd be a fan revolt. COL could still be close to the division lead at the deadline so they're not going to move Gonzalez.
I'm looking at Alex Gordon being our next right fielder. He's the guy I want.
Jurickson Profar isn't going anywhere. But I wouldn't be completely opposed to a package led by Martin Perez, either Justin Grimm or Nick Tepesch, Luis Sardinas, and a lower-level prospect. We could even expand the trade and try to pick up one of their relievers, like Aaron Crow, for instance.
Cruz will not actually spend any time being suspended this year, nor will the other 20 or so players connected with this clinic. Not that MLB can't levy suspensions.....they can. They don't need a failed drug test to do so....that was in the last collective bargaining agreement with the players. But this is going to drag on for some time.
Everyone of those players will appeal those suspensions. Which will keep them playing for all of 2013. Then the players legal teams will take apart the clinic owner, who's certainly no saint. But that doesn't mean his records are inaccurate or that these guys are clean. In fact, I suspect just the opposite, their all guilty as sin.
But for the 2013 season, selfishly Cruz will not be affected. He'll appeal anything he gets and by the time it gets adjudicated he will be a free agent as his contract is up. So there's no need to concoct any wild trade scenarios for this year. Nor is there any need to pour over the silly WAR stats for a player who leads the team in homers & RBI.
Eric writes..."This makes you sound like a fascist."
Well, so be it. PED's are illegal in the sport. When you do something illegal, there are consequences. In my opinion, there should be no second chance. It's not like PED's are something new and players are uneducated about them. I can understand a suspension for a failed drug test, although I think there should only be one suspension of a full season for the first offense, and then the second time a lifetime ban. But to knowingly seek out PED's in the manner the players appeared to, especially with code names and such, that goes beyond a one-time mistake and deserves a lifetime ban.
It sounds like you are fine with players using PED's as long as no one snitches on them. It's doubtful to me that, if you were in Bosch's shoes, you would tell MLB to shove it and take the punishment coming from the civil suit and likely cirminal charges you would be facing if you didn't talk. As for the confidentiality, Bosch is not a doctor or a medical practitioner as far as I know, and his services to the players are not legal and/or legitimate medical services, so I don't think the patient/client confidentiality is at play in this case.
"These players have rights as well"
Yes they do. They have the right to use any substance they want to enhance their performance. And as part of the CBA, MLB has the right to suspend them or ban them for such use. And in the Joint Drug Agreement, MLB has the right to suspend players for participating in the sale of prohibited substances, whether they test positive or not. Kinda like breaking the law...you do it, and sometimes you lose some of your rights.
^^ I think that's extreme and uncessary.
However, if MLB is going to stick by the lifetime bans of Shoeless Joe, Pete Rose, and the others for gambling, I think I am okay with a lifetime ban after 2 failed tests. Note: TWO FAILED TESTS.
For starters, I don't give a shit about PEDs. PERIOD. I've played with and against PED users and while some of them were beasts, most of them were just average players. There is no "unfair advantage" if the majority of people are doing the same kinds of things.
Second, there is no fucking way you can take a 1 and done approach to PED suspensions. That's the kind of attitude that gives cops the right to think they are above the law and violate other people's rights.
If you want lifetime bans...that's fine...but it should be like Rangerbourne said...after 2 failed test...at best
Alan Elmore writes: Well, so be it. PED's are illegal in the sport. When you do something illegal, there are consequences. In my opinion, there should be no second chance.
Before the season started, Astros prospect Jonathan Singleton tested posted for smoking marijuana. Todd Helton got arrested for a DUI. Carlos Quentin was suspended for breaking Zack Greinke's collarbone.
Are you of the opinion that each of those players should be thrown out of the league? I mean, weed is illegal (in most states); driving under the influence of alcohol is illegal; fighting is obviously not condoned. If there is no second chance, then what are you trying to turn baseball into? Brave New World or 1984?
It's not realistic to ever expect professional athletes playing at the highest level not to look to gain an advantage. If you are a fringe-Major-Leaguer, it could be the difference between making it to The Show; if you are already a great Major Leaguer, it could be the difference between making it to the Hall-of-Fame.
There are serious benefits if you are slick enough to beat the system. If you don't, okay, then yeah, you deserve to get punished for it. For me, this is less about what the players did and more about the way Major League Baseball is conducting its business.
* tested positive
So this thread was posted without much thought behind it.
I wish the people who cry about the sanctity of the game would get over themselves. Those same people don't want replay used to make sure the right call is made every time. The reason these substances are banned are not for the player's safety. It's for the purists that think Hank Aaron was clean despite using amphetamines. I am sick of all the PED whining. I wish the players that got busted would admit it though. Ryan Braun is a lair and it's pathetic that to this day the guy will still deny it.
And JD is not some reactive GM that freaks out. This will not changes his plans with Profar one bit, nor should it. Everyone needs to just sit back and chill out on this one and not expect much to come of it. Tim Cowlishaw thinks a suspension will cost Texas the division. Cowlishaw is a reactionary fool.
"The evidence they need is a failed drug test."
Obviously the MLB rules says you get suspended for a failed drug test.
But that is not the only way to get suspended. MLB's Collective Bargaining Agreement very clearly allows for getting a suspension for circumstances under which a test is not failed. Such as this. If it gets adjudicated in the courts, they would be subject to whatever standard the CBA prescribes.
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