What is your opinion of the A.J. Pierzynski signing?
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Ok first off I wouldn't be upset if Cliff Lee came back to Texas we could use the help and he could help BUT the Philly's are going to have to pay part of the bill! he's owed $75 over the next 3 yrs and I doubt he'll be worth 25 million a yr over the next 3 yrs.Secondly NO WAY IN HELL Profar gets put into this deal! Profar our 20 year old CHEAP best prospect in Baseball for a 35 yr old anything is a non-starter! Will the Philly's want him? Sure who doesn't! but someone of his caliber is waiting for Price or Stanton kind of deal!Just because Philly got suckered into taking MY doesn't mean we have to return the favor.
So Galloway has lost his mind because he reported a rumor? I guess it depends on whether you want to win or not.
Profar has no place to play. If you think Kins is gonna play LF or 1b you need a lobotomy.
It all comes down to money. After 2013 Cliff Lee is guaranteed $25 million in '14-'15, and carried a $27.5 million option that will vest if he accumulates 200 IP in 2015, or 400 combined innings between '14-'15.
To me, that's all this comes down to. I can't see the Rangers taking on an additional $25 million a year. I would need Philadelphia to eat at least 60% of that money to get me interested.
Reporting a rumor part is true, but this Grandpa Urine we're talking about here. He's a tool. Liked the trolling piece Eric. Good read.
You're an idiot if you don't like Galloway.
You do not trade Profar for a 35 year old. The article does state that if the Phillies pick up a lot of the money, higher prospects would be required in trade. If the Rangers pick up all of the contract money, lower level prospects or "B" prospects would be required in return. I think the Phillies would want immediate help in the bigs now, not a 3 year plan. Phillies need a bat and the Rangers lack a bat at AAA or AA. Hell, Rangers could use a bat in their lineup.
The original poster kinda had a kee jerk reaction to a rumor
Why would the Phillies pick up any money?
There seems to be some perception, maybe because of the W-L record last year, that Lee has fallen off. Wrong. Lee has been fantastic all three seasons in Philly, and shows no signs of slippage whatsoever.
Reading through most of the comments above, I feel like reading some stock information in the Wall St. Does it all come down to money? Specifically speaking,Rangers should keep Profar who I believe is likely to be another Knsler in some years to come. Keep him at any cost, will you JD? A home-grown player like him is going to become a backbone of the team, if successful, though.
Hiro: Is your last name Shima?
It's not specifically a matter of "money", it's more a matter of "value". To say it another way, you might ask "What is Profar worth to the Texas Rangers, put against what some other player might be worth to the Texas Rangers?" Profar could be another Ian Kinsler or Elvis Andrus, but is that what the Texas Rangers *need*? If John Daniels could trade Profar, who will likely be excellent defensively and above average offensively, to another team who has a young player in another position that may not be an excellent middle-infielder but is elite offensively; then that may be a good deal for the Rangers.
I can't believe 35 yr old Cliff Lee at 3 yr/$75 mil would pass Jon Daniels' "more upside or downside" smell test. I also can't believe Philly would pick up some of the payments. They're in too deep with the rest of their roster. Cliff Lee was a good deadline pick-up when he was to be a free agent and had no financial baggage hanging around his neck. That flexibility no longer exists. He's most likely stuck in Philly and the Rangers are better off for it.
Value is the name of the game, but it's ultimately determined by money. Surplus value is the product of how many millions of dollars a team makes on a player who outperforms his contract.
And for this reason, Jurickson Profar is an invaluable commodity, which is why I couldn't picture the Rangers trading him. That includes straight-up for David Price or Giancarlo Stanton, and certainly the $77.5 million owed to Cliff Lee after 2013. Jon Daniels is just too smart to allow that. If it does happen I'll be happy to eat crow, but I'll also be very disappointed at the mistake.
To me, all signs point to Profar being the face of the Rangers franchise for the next 15 years. If that means the Rangers trade Ian Kinsler in the next couple years, then so it is. I have a feeling they will find efficient usage of Profar/Andrus/Kinsler by the time the postseason starts, and that Kins will be moved to 1st base or RF in 2014.
But yeah, I think Cliff Lee is a pipe dream, because (a) I don't think JD would want to give up any top prospects, (b) Philadelphia won't eat enough money to get us interested, and (c) we could just as easily get a younger, cheaper TORP if we really wanted to.
Unfortunately we missed the boat on trading Kins
Eric Reining wrote:
>>"But yeah, I think Cliff Lee is a pipe dream, because (a) I don't think JD would want to give up any top prospects, (b) Philadelphia won't eat enough money to get us interested, and (c) we could just as easily get a younger, cheaper TORP if we really wanted to."<<
This paragraph is all you need to know about this rumor.
Cliff Lee had an opportunity to get huge money out of the Rangers franchise in 2011. We actually dodged a bullet when he chose to go to Philadelphia.
Now he's crying because he wants to play for a winning team. One that has a realistic chance to play in the World Series. He probably feels like he's running out of time (34 yrs. old). He's locked in a slowly sinking ship. Well Cliff, that's how life (and baseball) go.
To be fair to Cliff Lee, I don't think he was "crying" when he said he prefers to play for a winning team; he wasn't blasting the Phillies through the media or demanding a trade. The context of what he was saying was simpler, and it's what you'd want any baseball player to say -- he wants to be a winner; he wants to pitch in meaningful games; etc.
I agree with the consensus that the Phillies won't eat enough of the contract to make this a worthwhile move for Texas. Lee would be a mainstay in the rotation for the next few years though if traded. Would be nice to know you can expect 190+ innings of quality pitching. JD doesn't typically get older and more expensive though. He goes after value.
I interpret it differently, Eric. This guy complained about the heat in Texas. His wife complained about the traffic on the drive from Dallas to Arlington.
Why not live in Arlington?
Why not pay someone to drive you?
He's played on how many teams now?
There's a reason for that. Just as there's a reason the Diamondbacks felt Justin Upton was expendable. I'm not saying Cliff Lee is a cancer. I'm just saying....
I am not sure the Rangers dodged a bullet by not signing Cliff Lee, he is pitching very well in Philly. He played 2 franchises against each other and got the dollar figure up, but kudos for him and his agent for that. He would be great to have back, but the last part of his contract is where most of the money is and when he ages more. It is a risk financially.
None of those are reasons not to trade for Lee. Value and cost are what should drive that decision.
The fact that the Rangers would ship a 20 year old Profar off to Philly in this deal is the silliest part of the rumor.
Ozzie, I disagree with the bullet dodging. We have yielded the fewest runs in the AL. Pitching has not been our problem. We took Cliff Lee's money and spent it on Yu Darvish, a man 8 years younger. Lee is getting what amounts to ballon payments the next couple of years, as he goes into his age 35 and 36 seasons. No Thanks.
On the other hand, I agree with your statement about financial risk.
Rev, you are understated, but as usual, correct.
"we could just as easily get a younger, cheaper TORP if we really wanted to"
Are you just referring to Price, or do you have some other guys in mind?
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