What is your opinion of the A.J. Pierzynski signing?
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Midseason - Cargo for Nellie Cruz (cash), Tepesch, Olt, Buckel
Offseason - Price for Perez, Grimm, Moreland, Garcia, Ramirez
(5) SP - Darvish, Price, Harrison, Holland, Feliz***Arguably best in majors***
(7) BP - Nathan (resign 2yr 15 mill club option on 3rd for 7.5mill, Soria, Ogando, Ross, Ortiz, Scheppers, Lewis(resign one year 4.5 million w/player option for 3 million)***Arguably best in AL***
(5) OF - Cargo, Baker (resign 2 year 4.5 mill w/3rd year club option for 3 mill), Gentry, Martin, 5th outfielder who performs the best in camp or David Murphy at no more than 3yrs 15 million***Pretty sold situation wtih two defensive studs and one offensive stud in the middle of or entering their primes...solid 4 corner guy in Baker makes for an above average outfield ready to be invigorated by one of the best collections of lower level outfield prospects in major league baseball***
(5) IF - Beltre, Kinsler, Andrus, Profar, Solarte (or next best middle infielder used as a pinch runner)***Arguably best in majors...if no one really shines at the utility spot than this spot may be a bit superfluous as Baker can fill in at first with Kinsler manning second if there is an long term injury with either Elvis or Jurickson going out, the other one can handle shortstop. This means a 13th pitcher such as Kirkman could be utilized (especially if Ross beats out Feliz, Ogando, and Lewis for the 5th roster spot.)***
(2) C - AJ(resign 1yr 8 million w/mutual option for 2nd year @8 mill), Soto (resign 2 year 6.5 million)***Good situation bringing back proven offensive veterans that are familiar and comfortable with the pitching staff and average defensively...they would be locked in right around the promotion of Jorge Alfaro***
(1) DH - Berkman (resign 1 yr 10 million mutual option for 6 million)***Experienced, powerful lefty that gets on base...maintain future flexibility here with an aging Beltre, Kinsler, and Gonzales***
Batting Order: Elvis, Profar, Cargo, Beltre, Berkman, Kinsler, AJ/Martin, Gentry/Soto, Martin/Gentry
Why would the Rangers best hitter this year bat 6th next year? Why am I even bothering to respond to this...
We are paying AJ $6 mil for his age 36 season, less than he made last year. Why would we give him a raise to $8 mil for his age 37 season? Why am I responding to this? Gahhh!!!!
Whose to say he's going to be the Ranger's best hitter all season?Besides, why would your RBI and HR leader bat leadoff? Give me a better batting order instead of 'contributing' a pompous and frankly obnoxious attempt at condescension.
"Let me rhetorically show how little I care about this post by responding to this post" - A person who clearly fails to recognize the function of a public forum for DISCUSSION.
You give a guy a raise when he's one of maybe 6 catchers in the whole game who can approach a .300 BA and improves on his numbers as a free agent in a market and era where competent catching and above average offense are scarce and revenue is rising.
It's simple economics and GAHHH I shouldn't have to defend a contract that at the very most is bloated by a mere million dollars at a position of need next off-season, but alas the world is filled with simpletons.
I tried my best to fight temptation, but alas I could not...It got the best of me. It's not that I don't care for your post. It's that it's so off the wall that I cannot believe I gave it credence with an honest response. I don't even know where to begin....
Those trades don't happen in a million years. It pretty much ends there.
Ok Fuckhead, lets go down this road.
Ian has never ever ever ever led the Rangers in homers or RBIs so you have yet to offer an adequate defense for moving Ian to sixth in the order.
Cargo and Tulo are the Rockies best players, so why in the fuck would a first place Rockies club deal off one of their top players in the middle of the season? What rationale are you using to see the Rockies having some great drop off that would make them want to trade Cargo? This isn't MLB The Show where you can force a trade just to make your team better, you fucking child.
Paying AJ $8 mil next year is not raising his salary by 'a mere million' dollars. Going from six to eight mil is a raise of not just two mil but over thirty fucking percent of a raise. I don't see how you justify paying a 37 yr old catcher 30% more just because you have a position of need.
Are you assuming that Berkman's vesting criterion won't be reached? What are you using to come to this conclusion? Because by itself your offering Berkman a new contract altogether next season assumes his vesting option won't be met, but you didn't say anything about his vesting option so because your other contract offers and trade scenarios are so misinformed you leave me no option but to assume you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Baker is a career backup who is thriving this year under (surprise!) a backup role. So you want to take a career backup and give him a starting job why? Because that's working out so well with Murphy? Fucking brilliant.
So no, your scenario doesn't make the Rangers better because its a fucking fantasy
Jeebus, this site has become such a shithole since Joey left. Perhaps I should stop caring and leave too.
^^^ that about sums it up for me...
Cargo is signed through 2017, at a fairly decent price for his production, although the deal is pretty heavy on the back end. What motivation would the Rockies have to trade him THIS year? None, even if they completely fall apart and lose 40 games in a row. That's just a silly proposed trade. The Rockies aren't trading Cargo, the Marlins aren't trading Stanton. Those are faces of the franchise.
Why in the world do you want to trade Cruz in a contract year? Reap the benefits, then take the draft pick.
The Rays will not trade Price to the Rangers unless Profar is included. They will get better offers from teams like St. Louis and Minnesota, so unless Profar, Tepesch, and Grimm or Perez is inlcuded in the trade, Tampa hangs up the phone on JD.
Marktown: Don't let the door hit you in the ass when you leave.
Switch Ogando and Feliz and I would like to see that!!!
FELIZ IS NOT A STARTER!!!!!!!
Look at Ogando's stats as a starter, WAY above average.
B O R I N G
Thanks for your post, Joseph. Regardless of what you may think, the purpose of the board is CIVIL DISCUSSION. I'll respond to your post.
First, if we could obtain Cargo and Price, that would certainly be an improvement. However, the price for obtaining them, not their respective teams reluctance to part with them, would be the primary detractors here. We'd be giving away so much that our depth would be thin. If these players blow a proverbial tire and don't work out, we've gutted ourselves. On the plus side, we would be built to win now.
I'm not convinced about Colorodo's hot start. They may stay that way. However, this is a team with an injury history (Tulo). It also has guys (Fowler) that are playing WELL above their historical mean. If this continues, no, they're not going to make a deal. If they fall apart, like I expect they and the Red Sox will, then who knows what they'll do.
I like your lineup. Ian Kinsler is not a leadoff hitter, his hot start not withstanding. The great thing about a baseball season is everyone finds their level. Kinsler will soon find his. Andrus, Gentry and even Murphy would make superior leadoff men. It won't happen because of Wash's loyalty to Kins, though.
Also, regarding Kinsler, there seems to be a passive-aggressive reluctance to move positions. Under this scenario, we are trading a young 1B and moving a older, less experienced 1B, into that position. Again, this seems to be a win now strategy. OK, fine.
However, are you sure that Berkman and Pierzynski, not to mention Nathan and Beltre, can give you another 2 years (this season and next) of high level performance? Should we be looking, now, for their replacements? The thought of relying on Soto, quite frankly, scares the shit out of me.
I don't know what the Rangers are going to do. But then, neither does any other poster, here. Again, thanks for taking time to share your thoughts. It is appreciated.
Neither of those trades happens. Especially if the Rockies continue to look like they do right now; even if they don't contend, they probably think they will. The Rays wouldn't take that for Price. They would expect Profar and more.
That's your first problem. Your second is the catching situation; it's too early to say if AJ should be re-signed or not, and unless Soto really turns it around, there's no way the Rangers offer him that.
Your third problem is the rotation. I think it's actually the biggest problem. You want to trade away all our depth for Price and CarGo. If you got both of them, your next best option is, at this point, probably Lindblom (who, in fairness, has looked good starting at AAA). But that's it. Colby probably won't be re-signed. Lowe almost certainly won't be. The Rangers miraculously made it through 2011 without any starters going on the DL at all. That didn't happen last year, it hasn't happened this year, and it almost certainly won't happen next year. Look at the Dodgers this year: they thought they'd have tons of starting pitching. Then shit happened, and they didn't. As mediocre as Harang has been so far, I'll bet the Dodgers wish they hadn't traded him.
Even if we added CarGo, Stanton, and Upton, you have to know this team wins by pitching. We tried slugging our way to the pennant back in the 90s. It didn't work. The reason the Rangers did so well in 2011 was more attributable to pitching than anything else in particular (except possibly Napoli). You can say "they'll find somebody", but that's now how you build a good team.
Not a good second post, Joseph. Let's try again.
Geez Andy are you taking Erics place? Your post sucked to btw.
SP- Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, Randy Johnson.
BP- Randy Johnson, Randy Johnson, Randy Johnson, Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, Pedro Martinez, Pedro Martinez.
IF- Barry Bonds, Barry Bonds, Barry Bonds, Barry Bonds, Barry Bonds.
OF- Barry Bonds, Barry Bonds, Barry Bonds, Barry Bonds, Barry Bonds.
C- Barry Bonds, Barry Bonds
DH- Frank Catalanotto.
All in their primes. May be sacrificing a little defense for offense, but I think this team may have a chance to go 159-3 or 160-2 or so. We would have to travel back in time to get them, and then travel to the future to clone them, but I think its just as plausible as Joseph's idea.
"We would have to travel back in time to get them, and then travel to the future to clone them,......."
But in the process of traveling forward, into the future, would this not age said players, as well?
I mean, Let's say we placed Barry Bonds in a time machine, with the intent to travel from 2001 to 3038 AD. When the time machine door is opened, you would have a desiccated corpse inside. Correction, a desiccated corpse in a SF Giants uniform.
This is unacceptable DNA material. So, the clones would not be accurate. Instead of performing like Bonds, circa 2001, they'd play more like Geovanny Soto (pick any year).
Of course, by 2001, the combination of 3 years of continuous roids usage and normal aging had destroyed Bonds knees. His defense was a shadow of itself. So I'd at least go back to 1991-'98. JMHO.
Funny post, though.
On second thought, with Randy Johnson on the mound for 9 innings everyday, you wouldn't have to chase many balls down. So maybe '01 Bonds would work.
here we are again. another day in the life of putrid offense
A time machine, not a time capsule. We are bending the space-time continuum to send him to the future, not burying him in an elementary school playground.
What is time travel doesn't work that way Keystone? It could very well work in a way that it ages you as you travel through time. We cannot know that until we try. We should use test subjects first though. I suggest we use the forum troll as our first subject and find out what happens.
you 2 should get a room
Here is the ideal 2014 Rangers roster:
SP - Yu DarvishSP - David PriceSP - Matt HarrisonSP - Derek HollandSP - Alexi Ogando
C - A.J. Pierzynski 1B - Ian Kinsler2B - Jurickson Profar3B - Adrian BeltreSS - Elvis AndrusLF - Someone who plays excellent defenseCF - Leonys Martin RF - Giancarlo StantonDH - Lance Berkman/Nelson Cruz
I don't think the Rangers will go all-in on Price and Stanton, but in a perfect world there would be a way to work it out without having to give up Jurickson Profar. Is that possible? Probably not. Miami and Tampa Bay have no reason not to be extremely demanding for the two biggest trade chips.
If I had to guess which player the Rangers would make priority #1, it would be Giancarlo Stanton, and for multiple reasons:
(a) Post-2013 he is under contract for 2014, '15 and '16; Price is only signed through 2015.
(b) Philosophically it's smarter to trade for hitting than pitching because of general variance, especially dealing with a guy like Price going from a run-suppressive park in St. Petersburg to TBiA. Stanton would stand to get a boost going from his home park in Miami to Arlington.
(c) Elite starting pitching is more valuable on the open market than a big bat, and Tampa's GM is one of the best in the business. As a commodity David Price would likely be just as, if not more, expensive as/than Giancarlo Stanton, though he would also carry a substantially higher risk.
Anyway, the bench and the bullpen are of such low priority that I didn't see them worth mentioning.
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