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Kinsler seems to be passive-agressively resisting a move to 1b or OF. Can't say that I blame him. I wouldn't want to move, either. However, with the extension of Andrus into the forseeable future, it became clear to everyone that Profar will not play SS in a Texas Rangers uniform.
So what makes the most sense?
a) Trade Profar, in a package, for David Price.
b) Package Profar for Marlins stud, Giancarlo (aka Mike) Stanton.
c) Trade Ian Kinsler's contract for a similar, better fitting, one.
d) Give Kins the MY treatment and force him to move to another position.
Option A, in my opinion, gives the Rangers the strongest chance to win, NOW. Profar isn't expected to be a big contributor at the Major League level this year. Meanwhile, Kinsler still has some youth left. It would likely not happen until the Rays fell out of contention. Such a move would give the Rangers a rotation like this:
1) Price2) Darvish3) Lewis4) Harrison5) Holland
It allows you to move Ogando to the bullpen. Or, if you wish, trade Holland if he falters.
Option B is tempting because it allows the Rangers to cut off an impending power drain. Pierzynski and Berkman are short term fixes. Nelson Cruz is likely gone after this season. Beltre is not only getting older, but has played a LOT of games in his career. The Rangers, barring something we havn't seen from Martin, will have little or no outfield power. Baseball revolves around pitching and defense, but as with all sports, you still have to score.
Option C seems like the least desireable. It is far more likely that we will end up with someone else's junk than a player of Ian's caliber (potential 30/30).
Option D, again, in my opinion, seems like where we are ultimately headed. I'm not certain how I feel about this. If this is the path taken, you'd better hope most of the youngsters turn into very good MLB-level players.
What to do about Kinsler???
Trade for Stanton. Darviscan already be considered an ace. We're one big bat away from being a complete team again.
Here's an idea-let me handle it.
He's resisting the move because his agent also represents Mitch Moreland.
i'll be so glad when we trade him
Aaron, Darvish is not just an ace. He is a god.
this magadan thing is not getting off to a good start
Well, if Ogando keeps pitching anywhere near like he is so far today, that's another piece of the puzzle. Of course, these ARE the Astros.
Profar for Taveras straight up. No question. The other options (Stanton/Price) cost too much. Taveras is as sure a thing as Profar. I don't know what were waiting for other than for the ink to dry on Andrus' contract.
Fun fact: The Rangers have struck out 49% of batters they have faced thus far in 2013.
If we got Price I'd much rather keep Ogando in the rotation than Colby. I'd include Colby in a potential trade for Price.
I agree that it seems like Option 4 is where it's headed, given the reluctance to trade Profar (and Olt, for that matter) when previous opportunities came up. I'm partial to that option as well, if only because I'd love to see how electrifying a Profar-Andrus DP combo could be. Can anyone think of a more athletic combo? Cano-Jeter and Smith-Herr come to mind, but I think Profar-Andrus top both.
That said, I like Option 2 the most, because it fills several holes. 1) No need to worry with a Kinsler position change. 2) Fills the power void with the departure of Hamilton. 3) Allows an OF with power and a great arm (Stanton) to man RF, rather than a former IF (Kinsler) or former OF (Moreland) with average power and an average arm. 4) The Marlins are rebuilding, and what better way to rebuild than through trades involving a can't miss prospect, along with a couple other pieces....similar of the Teixiera trade
I really don't think Tampa Bay trades Price during the season, unless the wheels completely fall off and they sink to last place and out of the playoff picture altogether.
Hmmm. That's an idea that I hadn't really considered. It's plausible, but I'd have to see a little more from Alexi. Coby's been a horse. But if he's damaged goods, it might be a good opportunity to ship him off.
AlanElmore's point about the Rays not shipping Price to Arlington unless "the wheels completely fall off," comes into play here. The Rays look like their usual selves. Translated, this trade is unlikely to happen during the 2013 season.
Don't blame ian for feeling that he is a second baseman and frankly for what the rangers are paying for him he is most valuable at second base but if profar is what he seems to be and they choose to hang onto him Ian needs to just make the adjustment and let the team move him to where he can be most productive. Otherwise he has to go. Don't want to see the constant melodrama we had with MY over position moves.
profar and his .282 and 14 homers if tradition speaks for anything doesnt exactly translate into numbers at the MLB level to anywhere close to what Kinsler can and has produced...until that time, i will stay with our current middle infield
Why do you want to just give Colby away!!He's been money for us in the biggest games--remember?
i all for Profar for Price. but keep all the arms we can!
Trade for Stanton.
Profar for Price is never going to happen you ding a lings. And anyone who is a knowledgeable fan realizes that one. Idiots! Joey you need to cull the herd sooner vs. later.
Easy mmurphf ... yours isn't the only valid opinion here; although, I do agree with you.
Profar for Price straight up would be an idiot's attempt to get a belly laugh from TBR. But, toss in some other nice pieces (Martin Perez, Julio Borbon and Buekel/Grimm plus a little more) and you might, at least, get 'em to dry up the laughtears. It would be the kind of deal TBR would be looking for (lots of controllable, high-end talent) - trouble is, I'm not sure they'd ever do the deal with a rival like the Rangers. They'd worry we'd use him to knock 'em out of the playoffs, again.
What I don't see is why the Rangers don't work Profar in the outfield a bit to see if his wheels would translate to CF ... his bat would probably work at the corners, too. Leave Ian where he is - he was there first.
I am kind of hoping Luis Sardinas might shoot up the prospect rankings this year. If he finishes strong in AA, he could have a lot of value in the offseason. Packaging him with Mike Olt and two major league ready starting pitching prospects (perhaps Buckel and Grimm) and a relief prospect might be able to get Giancarlo Stanton next offseason. I think the Mariners would be are main rivals in trading for him.
I'd probably prefer Price to Stanton, since he'll probably be on the trade block sooner. But if you take into account contract cost, Stanton will be much cheaper if you buy out his arbitration years (2014-16). My dream: build a package around Profar, Holland, Gentry, Buckel, and possibly some lower levels for Price at the deadline and start praying to the baseball gods now that Sardinas and 1 or 2 lower prospects explode on the scene. Remember, Sardinas was the more heralded SS when he Profar signed. Then build a Perez, Sardinas, Olt, Alfaro, Gallo, Grimm package for Stanton.
Who says no?
I would normally say that's crazy talk to trade all those prospects, but we have a ton of low high end talent in the minors that could replace those guys within 2-3 years. There aren't many teams that could/would top those offers, not to mention be able to afford extensions for those guys.
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Alright I'm done with my crazy talk now.
What do you guys think of those trades though? Too much?Too little?Just right?
Do Stanton's oft-surgically-repaired knees not scare anyone?
You should get into JD's ear. I like your thinking. I don't know if it will happen, but I like it.
Dr Seuess: Maybe you and P1 Stephan could get a room and talk about it.
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