What is your opinion of the A.J. Pierzynski signing?
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8-yrs $120 million... What yal think?
It's weird and I'm excited and a little confused.
Me too. I wanted Elvis but traded but this is a great deal for Texas.
Definitely did not see it coming. Oh and fuck you Mr. Boras
So what happens with Profar? After watching last nights game, I have to think Profar is destined for 2B sooner than later. Kinsler was an embarassment last night dropping two relay throws and if I am not mistaken one actually hit him in the back when he was nto paying attention!! Some of the "miscues" Isaw on behalf of my beloved Rangers were embarassing.
This has got to be Elvis's desire to stay here. At 15 million per year average, that's a hometown discount folks. Remember when people were tossing around 18-20 mil/per for Elvis? I can't imagine Boras agreeing with this deal.
I'm excited about seeing Andrus at SS and Profar at 2B. That, combined with Beltre at 3B, gives you lock down defense on your IF.
They are trying to deal Borbon to free up a roster spot for Tepesch. Perhaps the Rangers are planning to include other, more established players in that deal. Is there a blockbuster in the works?
$15M/year is no hometown discount. He should not get 18-20 with his (lack of) power. He isn't bad offensively, but he is also nowhere near elite enough to get 20M/year. I'd say 15/M is just right for both sides. His defenese and baserunning make up for any shortcomings at the plate, and considering his age I think we can still expect a little bit more improvement in these next couple of years. I love locking guys up through their prime too. Sorry Yankees!
TXball, I can see how you would not think this is not a homer deal, but it is. Elvis will be a F/A in 2 years. People entering F/A get don't fair deals for both sides. They get OVER paid. Elvis, particularly considering the market 2 years from now, gave our Rangers a discount in exchange for security.
He is now the FACE.
Kinsler, Borbon, Olt, Cruz (or a combination of these guys) for Stanton and a second piece.
^^I would do the above trade in a heartbeat candab, but it would never happen.^^
The Marlins won't be interested in Cruz or Kinsler while they're in rebuilding mode. I'm not even sure that they would have any interest in Borbon. I think any trade discussions about Stanton need to begin with Profar. Personally, I'd offer Profar, Olt and Borbon for Stanton but I'm not even sure that would get it done. Unfortunately, I expect that the price demanded by the Marlins will be too high for the Rangers FO.
Apparently the Elvis deal has a player opt out after 4 years and a 9th year vesting option.
Miami is not going to take on Ian's contract, which is quite ample, when they aren't likely to contend for several years. They would have Cruz for a year. Even they're not dumb enough to make that trade.
Now the Rangers can trade Profar for David Price.----- Now that Elvis is locked up.
Anything exotic trade starts with Profar. We have a shortstop--we need an ace!
Trade Borbon for a large 3-topping pizza --offer good through Thursday.
I like the deal, glad that Elvis will be a Ranger for years to come. Andrus-Profar will make a dynamic DP combo as well. Now, interested to see how the remaining pieces fall. Does Kinsler get traded or moved to 1B or the OF? Maybe Moreland is traded or moved to the OF to make way for IK at 1B? I'd say it's highly likely this is the final year Cruz is a Ranger, so that opens up a spot in the OF. Interesting times.
With the opt out clasue, I have a hard time believing this will go 8 or 9 years. I think it's safe to call is a 4 year $60 million contract, allowing Andrus to hit FA in his age 30 season. Thats a win for Andrus. I wish it were a team option after 4 years and the 9th year was electable by Andrus, not the other way around. Oh well. I think we'll see value in the first 4 years anyways.
On a side note, if it does have the opt out clause after 4, that is essentially the only hanging point that kept the Rangers from landing Grienke. I wonder what the difference was to give that clause to Andrus but not Grienke?
Bourne that's not how you look at this contract.
The first 4 years have one of two options:
Being an overpay (Elvis becomes awful, the contract is terrible and we're mired in badElvis)Being an underpay.
Now I don't think Elvis will be a bad player from now until 2018, certianly not one so bad that we'll seriously regret the contract on the same level as Young. I think it's more likely Elvis outperforms his $15 million and thinks he should get a raise. If Elvis opts out, it means we got a great deal.
If he doesn't opt out is when he have problems.
Great post Aceathon.
Once Posey signed his deal with SF you had to know Elvis wasn't getting the deal he and Boras were looking for. No way to justify Elvis at $18-20 million per season when Posey is making slightly north of that amount, and coming off an MVP season, a gold glove, WS MVP, and is good for 20 HR and close to or over 100 RBI every year. I love Elvis, but you can only go so high considering his metric output. SS is a premium position, but he's not going to put up Jeter/Tulowitzki/Cabrera numbers. It's just not his game.
@Acethon, I understand that, and essentially, that is what I am saying. Elvis is taking a raise over the next two seasons, perhaps a hit over the next two (would-have-been) FA seasons, but hoping to provide enough surplus that an opt out after 4 years will net him closer to $17+ mil/year.
I guess my argument is that he will almost certainly opt out after 4, which indicates surplus over those 4, but more expensive thereafter if we choose to sign him back. My fear is that, if he walks in 4 years, will we have a stud to replace him? Profar will already be locked in either at 2nd here or SS elsewhere, and who knows if we'll still have some of our good depth at SS in the minors by then. I would have liked to do a straight 8 year contract with Elvis at 15/per with a team opt-out after 4. We just bear all of the risk in this deal currently.
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