What is your opinion of the A.J. Pierzynski signing?
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I would be very interested in this........but not sure what i would give up.
I hope you are kidding. Good God!
I'm interested. As long as we can include Julio Borbon, I'm down.
I think Porcello might be a good option. I hear he's looking good this spring.Trouble is that when you call for Porcello---Scott Boras answers the phoneHe's got TORP potential--although Tigers may have doubts by now.He's only 24.
He's on a 1 year 5mil contract.Throws a nasty sinker.
I think our rotation has the potential to be better than ever.I think Yu is nearing ace status.Harry is solid and consistent and downright dominant at times.Derrick Holland has TORP potential and i think will have a breakthrough season.Colby Lewis is a money pitcher and will be back
But.......Ogando hit a wall last year---a couple times and isn't looking good this spring.Martin was on his way to 5th starter before that line drive put him out.I like Ross but he's unproven at this point.
Ranger need another starter for the back of the rotation .And Porcello has an upside that could make the gamble worthwhile
Daniels would never spend the necessary prospects to get Porcello. He's running on the cheapand trust on inside moves to fill the openings. Get use to it. It's not a bad plan, but the farm is overrated, as of now. Don't expect 2013 to sustain the winning caliber team of the last three years.
I don't think it would take too much to get porcello.......he is the tigers #6 right now
Agreed. But I don't think the Tigers are looking for another outfielder. The only need they have is a middle infeilder or an arm out of the pen; which porcello can already be for them if needed.He'd be nice to have though.
I guess we could stash him at AAA. He could pitch batting practice.
The Scott Boras situation gets way overblown on this site. With Porcello, we're talking about a guy in his age-24 season, so we'd theoretically be getting him for three full years (24-26) -- also known as three of his prime pitching years. He is a solid ground ball pitcher, and playing behind Beltre/Andrus instead of Cabrera/Peralta would probably do wonders for his results.
Anyway, on LSB they asked if you would give up Ronald Guzman or Luis Sardinas for him -- straight up. I'm inclined to say yes, just because.
Porcello isn't free, therefore there's no need to deal with his agent (who isn't Boras anymore) for a couple more years.
I feel like we can try to do better than Rick Porcello with trades.
If we don't get Porcello, the next best option might be Vasquez (who only costs the price of his contract). I'm okay with JV, if Porcello is too pricey, but I'd prefer to get Porcello.
I'd hope the price was something like Grimm plus Borbon; if so, pull the trigger. If higher, I might not like the idea as much. I'd rather keep Sardinas and Guzman if possible. If JV wasn't possible, I might pay more for Porcello. I don't think this team has enough pitching.
Vazquez is likely out for the year.
Thanks for the heads up, guessed I missed the news.
Dangit. I thought he made a lot of sense. Now in my book it's "Porcello or bust" - although, I'm still skittish enough that there are lots of asks I'd walk away from.
Grimm and "a little bit more" (in my mind, I'm thinking Borbon) still looks like about the right swap to me. Rangers get a SP who's ready now and will cost some payroll but whose stock has sagged a bit, while the Tigers get a younger SP who doesn't cost anything for down the road (or who might slide into their pen, where they need help badly), plus a bit more. Porcello's recent outing may have moved the ask upward a tad, but given the time of year and opposition, it shouldn't have.
Robbie Ross can at least hold the spot down until Colby returns. Perez won't be out too long, so if Ross completely implodes (not likely), he can return and pick up the slack. Ogando won't hit the wall this year since he was told early on that he's the #4, so he will be conditioned for the long haul. There will be better pitchers available later if things are so bad that we think we'd need someone like Porcello anyway.
So much negativity for a an underrated pitcher who with a defense that doesn't suck could be a mid 3 eraish pitcher
I would be all down for getting Porcello for multiple reasons.
1. He keeps the rotation young
2. In a trade he probably doesn't come at too much of a cost as the Tigers don't really have a need for him. Maybe Borbon and another lower level pitching prospect with some upside.
3. I think his potential is still pretty high as the likes of Derek Holland. Having a rotation of 5 young guys with high potential certainly looks very pleasing on paper.
Then when Colby returns you shift Ogando back to the bullpen and have a VERY solid 1-5 leading hopefully into the playoffs.
I don't understand the interest in Porcello. He's got an over 4.00 ERA, close to a 4.00 FIP and xFIP and those are in Detriot's park. His K/9 is good but not Yu-like, or even extra good. Is all the attention on him based on potential, like Holland? I'm not sure having two guys who have the potential to be stars or scrubs is okay in our rotation, already in its weakened state. Maybe the Rangers defense will help, but to make him good enough for us to become closer to a contender? I don't know.
If i had the option of trading for Rick Porcello or signing Kyle Lohse. I believe trading for Porcello is the better option of the 2. Porcello is younger and controlable for a few more years and he is an extreme groundball pitcher which is needed at the temple as we all know. Porcello would be a great addition and immediately be the 4th best starter on this team. And if Ogando comes around that would be a nice starting rotation to go to battle with.
Borbon and Neil Ramirez for Porcello? Would DET do that?
Why would anyone want this bum?
I would love to deal ramirez and borbon for porcello.
Porcello still has issues, but there's no indication he's hit his ceiling already. Like Harrison, he gets lots of ground balls and doesn't strike out that many. However, I'd prefer him to Lohse, who gets more fly balls, still doesn't strike out that many, and will cost a draft pick. I have little doubt Porcello would improve by moving to Texas, where the defense doesn't just leak grounders left and right. If he can be had for a reasonable trade value I'm for it.
I guess the million dollar question is, what will it cost????- or better- What do they want????
Accoridng to MLB Trade Rumors website, Detroit is looking for a closer. Not sure we have a BP arm to give up for Porcello if that's what Detroit is looking for.
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