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Just came out this morning. No surprise at #1, but some Rangers on the bottom half that I was extremely pleasantly surprised about. Is it OK to post the Rangers rankings? Don't want to step on JP's toes.
I think it's safe to say that six Rangers made the BP 101.
Without giving away much, you could say that Brinson and Sardinas making the list was a nice surprise.
I'm pretty sure anyone else here could figure out who the other four prospects are. That being said, I think the rankings are nice, but not necessarily the way I'd put them as far as projectablity/ value. I know everyone is preaching patience on Perez because he's 22, but he's plateauing in AAA. I'm trying to compare a 22 year old Perez with a 22 year old Feliz (yes, I know he's 24).
I believe Feliz was MUCH further along at 22 than Perez is... then again maybe I'm enamored with 2010 Feliz and his off speed strikeout of ARod in the ALCS. That being said, I still think Perez has some upside, but his ceiling has fallen. I don't think he's going to provide the value to the organization that Alfaro (I'm banking on him "booming" rather than busting) or Sardinas will for MIA after we trade him for Giancarlo Stanton.
Other than minor tweaks, I enjoyed the list. There's no denying the Rangers have a stocked farm system.
Perez is the lesson you learn from holding on to prospects too long. We missed the boat with him-move on.
Parks (on twitter) avoids the comparison between Feliz and Perez because they are fundamentally different types of pitchers. He also says that Perez is probably the better pitcher.
I value the Professor's evaluation but I don't see it. He's the scout, I'm the law student... who knows. Maybe I'm trying to project Feliz as a solid #2 and thus it's influencing my valuation of both Perez and Feliz.
It was nice seeing three Rangers on the list that will hopefully move up this year, as opposed to the BA list where all of our guys will likely graduate to the bigs (or if they dont, certainly wouldn't warrant mention on this list). Love the upside of Brinson and Alfaro, and would be cool to see at last one of them really break out this year. Was a little surprsied not to see Buckel on there - I realize his upside isn't through the roof but still thought he deserved to fall in the 80-100 range.
"...Sardinas will for MIA after we trade him for Giancarlo Stanton"
Subtle, yet effective.
Txball. JP is on record somewhere (Twitter or BP) saying he thinks Grimm is a better pitcher than Buckel. I get the impression that Buckel didn't #dazzle Parks much, but I agree--I thought Buckel may get some more credit. I can understand valuing Grimm a bit higher. In fact, I don't disagree with the asserting that Grimm > Buckel, but mostly because I see Grimm fitting a nice #3-4 role going forward. If Grimm can stop tipping his pitches, he'd be ML ready IMO--
But again, I'm not a scout.
Nomton is not a scout? Wow! Who would have thought?
@Nompton - Not sure if this is what you were talking about, but here's a chat log from BP where Jason talks about Buckel vs. Grimm.
The 101 list is free so it's probably OK to list them.
Profar is the only sure thing of our top prospects. He's the only one whose floor is still as a Major League contributor. Olt has a lot of bust potential, and Perez is going to have to be better than a #4 if he's going to be with the Rangers longterm.
I'm higher on Buckel than I am Grimm, but we're basically talking about the difference between a future #3 and a future #4. Not a big deal. I'm also bullish on Jorge Alfaro -- because who isn't? -- but we're hoping on something 3 or 4 years down the road. His impact will not be immediate. Still a long way to go there.
I like our minor league system. Lots of potential there. This season I'll be most focused on what Lewis Brinson, Joey Gallo and C.J. Edwards can do at Hickory. Once Jairo Beras is off his suspension, I'll be excited to see how he plays in the AZ rookie league.
Perez and Feliz are different pitchers. Perez has the better offspeed repertoire (more projectable as a starter) while feliz has the better fastball (more projectable as a closer). Not saying the either are precluded from either role, but those are the roles they are most likely to end up in as it currently stands (and as it stood when feliz was a prospect) IMO. Even before the injury, it was pretty well known that offspeed stuff was going to be the difference between Feliz being a starter and a closer.
Wtf is a nateaggie?
I still have faith in Feliz. We can't just forget the small sample he pitched within last year. I just don't want to see him rushed. When he comes back, no matter what capacity, I want him to be 100%.
Let's not forget, starting pitching is the most valuable commodity on the diamond. Relief pitching is the least valuable. So before we start talking about Neftali Feliz using absolutes, we should let him get a full 2014 under his belt in a rotation.
100% agree. He's only 24. Pretty sure he tossed a complete game last year before going down. Maybe I'm enamored by gas, but I think he could be a VERY GOOD #3 if his offspeed stuff works and he can handle being a SP. Parks thinks Perez has better stuff but Feliz was quicker to the majors because of his FB.
Should be interesting to see the different progression curves of Feliz and Perez.
Nompton, I don't think Feliz winding up as a very good #3 is unrealistic at all. You understand that in the 21st century, strikeouts matter a ton. That's what separates #1's from 2's, and 2's from 3's, and 3's from replacement-level starters. Feliz needs to stay in the rotation longterm because of his potential ability to strikeout 8+ hitters every 9 innings.
Martin Perez is the ultimate X-Factor here. He still has 6 years of control. If he proves himself to be a highly-capable #3-type pitcher in 2013 (which is a stretch, but certainly doable, at least in the abstract), then he and Feliz will join Darvish and Harrison as rotation locks in 2014, with either Derek Holland or Alexi Ogando going up as trade bait next offseason. Or sooner.
I think those last two names will be the two most talked about Rangers next offseason. They both have 3+ years of control, and are very cheap.
I assume we are all resigned to the fact Elvis Andrus is an obvious trade candidate next winter? No? Okay I'll keep trying.
Set backs for Pitchers, especially starters, is a constant reality in the majority. Feliz actually had very solid numbers in 2012 until he went down, and that the arm problem may had even affected his 7 starts, while the league batted .187 against him. Take that every year and you have a Cy Young winner. Perez has need only relax and work on command and control, though that is true for any pitcher. So do not give up on the Pedro Martinez and Johan Santana comparisons, at least until 2016, when Feliz and Perez career level will be decided.
Problem with Feliz is that he only has 3 years left before FA, and this year will be one of them. He's essentially taking the same route C.J. Wilson did: mostly relief for his first 4 years, then starting the last two.
And let's not get anything twisted. The concept behind using Feliz out of the rotation has very much to do with all the surplus value he can accrue for the franchise. It's the same reason the Reds are trying out Chapman in the rotation.
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