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We recieved Engel Beltre from Boston mid 2007. He's now 23 and been through the Ranger System.Should we expect to see the move up this spring or early summer? Maturity has beem his albatross, butthe skill sets are there. WIth the big need of another outfielder, especially a COF, could E. Beltre fill a void?
Me most certainly could fill a void. At AAA.
2 1/2 years at AA, lots of k's, not a lot of walks, low BA, low OBP, still pretty imature. What's not to like.
OK, he could still flip the switch. I've always heard good things about his actual baseball talent, but the clock is ticking, the Rangers have done a lot of drafting in the outfield the last couple years, and those prospects will start passing him up if he doesn't find that switch soon. This season would be a good time for him to put it together.
With all the talk about Taveras of the Cards, and how Martin will take over at center field for the Rangers, E. Beltre is a near forgotten talent. He did win Best Defensive Center Fielder among all Minor Leaguers from A, AA, AAA ball [120 teams], so that is not a bad award. Taking BNP scouting reports into consideration, an odd thing emerges. Totaling all 5-tool categories, Martin, Taveras and Beltre all end up with a score of 300. With categories of : hit, power, arm, field, speed: Martin scores= 60h + 50p + 70a + 60f + 60s on a 20-80 score basis. Taveras batting comes in very high as expected with 80h + 70p but mediocre scores of 50 in the rest. What is entertaining, Beltre scores 60 in all 5 categories. So the player that emerges as all -around 5 tool is Engel. So he could be the biggest surprise in Arizona, except which seems to happen only for Engel, he will not be seen for 2 to 3 weeks because he is going to play for Spain in the WBC. Beltre could be very key to the Rangers, especially if things do not go well for Cruz.
@aHokieYour view and comparrisons are the same as mine. I look for a surprising spring from EB,@KtownYou're always on top of your game. I agree, this is a pivotal yeat for Engel Beltre. Rangerspatience could be in a package move of EB, if 2013 is not a breakout year. He's really due.
Look, even if Engel doesn't become a consistent hitter, he still has value to the club in either a late game defense role or as a pinch runner. Regardless of his bat, he is still really fast (36 Stolen Bases last year) and regarded as one of the best defenders in all of minor leauge baseball. If his bat comes around he could be absolutely brilliant, I mean last year at times he took over games. But no matter what his defense and speed will carve out a decent niche for him at the big league level.
Sometimes, "if" is all you got. Now, he needs to get to "since".
@ Juriksoon- The Rangers already have that player, his name is Craig Gentry. I think with Beltre having 5 tool ability, the Rangers are expecting him to grab a position and hold it. He still might, as you said he has shown the ability to take over the game. He just needs to take that step soon. There is a lot of young OF talent at the lower levels now, and someone will take big steps.
Can't get on base, strikes out too much. Good defense. Worth a shot at some point in 2013.
Surely better than Borboner?
He's not due---he's OVERDUE. Minimal prospect at best.
Engel Beltre minimal? Overdue @ 23? I'd say he has a 60/40 chance of making the 25man this spring.80% For, if Cruz is suspended.
With the outfield in the position it is now, especially with the Cruz cloud, this would be an excellent time for him to step up. There very well may be some big holes to fill in the outfield next season, and he might as well start earning one of those spots this year. Not holding my breath, but the timing would be good.
Watching his career progression, Beltre is probably still a year or two away. But he's making progress. When his bat catches up to his other tools, which are already ML-ready and then some, he can be be special.
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Yay! Very astute and positive input welcomed. How refreshing. Whatta concept. Good post boys.
If Martin is move over to take Nelson's RF spot, we'll see Beltre making the 25 to help out in CF.
I know Beltre has fallen a great deal as a prospect, but he still has a big upside at 23.Honestly, from watching Martin and Beltre a lot, there's not too many differences betweenthe two players. Each can get hot and carry a team at the AAA level. Both have huge talent.Beltre's head will fit his body, hopefully sooner than later. Martin needs repetition of much play.I think one day we'll see both together in the same outfield. Quite possibly, as Rangers 2013.
I saw somewhere to watch out for Leury Garcia for an OF spot rather than Olt or Profar, as he's been worked out there before. Someone else to keep our eye on.
OK, so Beltre is not a boom bat, but his defense tops Nellie's, has speed and comparible other stats- ETC.He should be a corner OFr anyway. Whatta gun he has for an arm. Runs like a deer.
Look, all Im saying is even if he cant hit to his potential he still has the ability to play a role on a good team with his speed and defense. IF and yes thats a big IF he hits to his talent, than we have a special player. If he doesn't than so be it, we still have a solid role player.
I get what you're saying. Personally, I think he will be more than a platoon player eventually. He showed flashes last season, the talent is there, and I'm an optimist at heart. It's just that besides some power improvement and being more aggresive on the bases he's kind of spun his wheels for a couple years at Frisco.
It's worth repeating; now would be a great time for him to put it together.
I get that people like Beltre b/c of his tools, but I just don't see much to get excited about. For his MiL career, he has a slash of .247/.290/.374. Over the last two years at AA, he has produced at these levels:
2011: .231/.285/.3002012: .261/.307/.420
I'm not saying that Texas should cut him, but I also see very little reason to get excited about him. And comparing him to Leonys makes no sense, IMO. Martin dominated both AA and AAA offensively. I hope Beltre develops, but I don't see much reason to expect him to suddenly jump from a sub-.730 OPS guy (in AA) to someone who has a legit shot of playing a significant role on the ML club this season.
He needs to prove that he can hold his own at AA before we start thinking about carving out a role for him on the ML roster.
@ utb- I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying. In fact, in my other four posts that's basically what I said. But as is always the case there is more than cold hard stats to evaluate. He showed flashes of that ability at times last year. He didn't, as far as I know, his 1st two seasons at Frisco. The power is starting to come around. He was aggressive on the bases. He was the Rawlings Gold Glove Center Fielder of the Year in all of minor league baseball, so he's already shown he can hold his own at AA.
I doubt the Rangers are expecting him to take an outfield position this season, although it's possible he could, I suppose. Depending on the Cruz situation, I think they would like to see him earn a spot on the 25 man roster though. On the other hand, since he's such a free swinger, maybe they will want him getting regular AB's at Round Rock. My point has been that he has a golden opportunity to control his destiny with the Rangers. Regardless of the Cruz outcome, the Rangers are woefully short on outfielders for the next couple seasons, with a three or four year gap before the Brinson's, Mazara's etc. start showing up. He's 23 now, with an abundance of tools to play at the ML level. But he needs to stop swinging at everything that leaves the pitchers hand. For his and the Rangers sake, the timing would be great for him to mature some and realize those gifts.
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