@Goose

I don't speak for the Saber nerds. I am not a Saber nerd.

To be clear, I think you are getting "good manager" and "manager who possesses talent" mixed up. You can't judge Clint Hurdle's work in Pitt, because his roster sucks. At the same time, you can't say Ron Washington is good, simply because the talent on the team is what makes him good.

When I think of good managers, I think of making sound in-game decisions. Buck Showalter and Bob Melvin each had fantastic, albeit lucky years, and with far inferior rosters than Ron Washington has with the Rangers. You give Joe Madden a team like the Marlins? I bet he has a shitty year. Give him the Rangers? And I'd bank on division championships. Hell, a computer could coach the Rangers and do a better job than Ron Washington.

I'm just saying, there are good managers who don't have good teams. Was Terry Francona the best manager in the world? No, he sucked. But he had excellent talent, and talent typically is what wins out. It's all confirmation bias if you're going to justify how good coaches are based on how many wins they have in short samples of the playoffs. That's retarded.

I could easily name 20 managers who are better than Ron Washington. Ron would probably fall between 24-27th best out of 30.

Not saying he is the worst manager but along with several of the aforementioned reasonings as to why he is hurting the team (FACE, overplaying veterans) He could also in game manage to increase winning percentage much more than he does. He ran out some of the worst lineup cards I could have possibly even think to have imagined last year. Every day Ian kinsler bats lead off is a mistake to me until he shows he is the 30/30 guy we all imagined. Most importantly, I've never seen so many sacrifice bunts from hitters with .400 OBP in early innings of baseball games. This just cant happen. Every time elvis andrus squares up before the pitch is delivered I just bury my face in my hands and pray Wash starts doing cocaine again. And to address the WS, when you're up by 2 runs, in the 9th you bring in defensive replacements for your weak fielders. Secondly, after Nefi blows the save in the 9th to their best hitters, I forget who exactly but it was something like Pujols Holliday Freeze etc and then we go up by 2 runs a second time in the 10th. LEAVE FELIZ OUT ON THE MOUND. STL had their 7 8 9 punch and judy hitters that couldnt even see feliz's 100 mph fb. Instead you bring in Daren fucking oliver. ANYONE in the league can hit a single of this guy, left handed, right handed it doesn't matter, you just make contact on his 78 mph curve and hope it finds a whole. Feliz would have retired the side and I wouldn't have to be posting here. It was his career season, if he blows two consecutive saves in one game to the bottom of the cardinals lineup, then I know nothing about baseball. Also a few other glaring examples of total failure come to mind. Bringing in Derek holland out of the bullpen. Pulling Yu Darvish AT ALL when hes given up 3 hits through 6 innings is flat out insane. He is a bad in game manager, he doesn't make good play calls. I don't know what else managers are for. But yes he does win games, he might be doing something behind the scenes but he is definitely not doing it on the scene, his players are