What is your opinion of the A.J. Pierzynski signing?
MJH on accountability
To Whom??? And what should we expect in return?
Yes I'll play... To the Braves along with Gentry and 8mil of Beltre's contract for two years in return for Heyward and Tehran.
Neither team would agree to that.
Good Lord--have you lost your mind?
why would the rangers give up the best bat on the team? how about we trade yu while we are at it.
Yeah, and let's throw Nolan Ryan in the deal. That'll show em'.
Trading Beltre isn't a terrible idea if he could be traded for someone like Heyward- which I doubt very seriously (though Atlanta might consider it if they then sign Bourn). Having Olt and Beltre is not the most efficient use of assets.
Jason Heyward is pretty close to untouchable. He's pretty close to the same level as Stanton, except he plays on a good team that has no incentive to trade him like the Marlins do. Even for one of the best 3B in the league, they wouldn't trade Heyward, let alone Tehran. On second thought, the Rangers might consider this trade, but Frank Wren would hang up before the sentence was finished.
Why in God's name would you trade Beltre? He's arguably the best player on this team... and who's going to play 3B, Olt? Are you kidding me? Maybe this is a relavent conversation in 2015, but not now. No offense to you but ithat's a stupid idea...
I've said this a few times but I want Stanton. I'd be willing to give up Profar, Olt, Perez, Martin, etc... I don't care. Whatever it takes, go get him.
Can't decide if this is a troll thread, or if gtownfan is a step ahead of everyone.
In a fantasy league these type trades happen. Nowhere else.
AHAHAHAHA. You're hilarious.
Not throwing out a particular trade, but the thought of moving Beltre and Andrus had to be white boarded somewhere in JDs office - even at the very bottom. The fact is, we have two young players with lots of control who the team is very fond of in Profar and Olt. They obviously felt Olt was ready to go last year or he wouldn't have been called up. They also are obviously high on his abilities or they would have let him go in a variety of trade scenarios. What it comes down to is the expected difference between Olt and Beltre and if that can be effectively made up in the return on Beltre. Its a tough move to make due to Beltre being a fan fav, coming off a tremendous year, and the move having the smell of starting over. On the flip side, it could be the best use of resources if Olt is truly who the org and others have led us to believe he is. It would all come down to the return, which I don't think would be there this late in the offseason.
Beltre will be the first to go, if the Rangers are not legitimately competeing for the west or playoffs.Rangers go into sell mode and look to 2014. The team goes to youth, which won't be a big transition.
There's nothing veiled about these actions. The organization can & should be able to morph easily.We're not Miami, because the talent certainly seems foundation strong. Let's hope youth dosen't turninto a Justin Smoak sceanrio... an early bust. The focus & recoup could take years, if maturity is an issue.
We should trade Beltre to Atlanta for Justin Upton.
What does all of this smell like? A pivotal offseason is getting served up after the 2013 campaign for a 4th straight playoff berth. Olt and Profar may play the entire year at AAA this year. That's not out of the realm of possibility. But then decisions have to be made.
The infield won't look the same after this season, that's for sure. Beltre, Andrus, Kinsler, Moreland, Olt, and Profar potentially could all be dangled in the trade market, depending on the direction the FO wants to go. And Elvis Andrus is the key guy. Will he actually sign an extension before hitting FA? Chances are about zero. so the most logical decision is trade Elvis next winter and let Profar play SS. After that, look at these questions (assuming we don't hammer out a big time deal at the trade deadline):Should we trade Beltre and dump his contract to allow Olt to man 3B?Should we keep Beltre and let Olt play 1B? Trade Moreland or make him a bench player?Is Kinsler still your 2B? Maybe he's a 1B or COF from now on?How does Leury fit in to the picture?
Lot of questions. Play on the field this season makes those questions a lot more answerable. Beltre getting dealt is not a crazy idea. Personally, I wouldn't be a fan of it, but that's beside the point.
I'm probably in the minority, but I think its in the teams best interest to trade beltre before the season starts. He'll be 34 in april and we all know how fast and hard father time hits guys once they get to 35+ and I dont think his trade value will ever be higher (especially guys who tend to have lingering health issues like Beltre does with his legs). If Olt cant be used as a trade piece to pick up an impact player, Beltre should be moved IMO.
If we move Beltre and Olt is a bust, we just cut a sizable chunk out of our offense. Beltre is probably the most valuable position player expected to start for the major-league Rangers. Trading him at this point, unless we got back a guy like Stanton (not gonna happen) would be a terrible idea.
How can you say its a terrible idea when you don't know the return? Are you hanging up regardless of who calls and what they offer?
Fine. Who would you listen on Beltre for?
I'm not putting together trade ideas. My point is that saying its a terrible idea is working without all the information. There may not be a trade worthy of moving him. However, someone may offer something overwhelming. If someone called, I'd listen and see how the overall impact affected my team. Having Olt sitting behind him would make me more open minded than if I didn't.
Offhand, the only guys I can think of I'd trade him for are the kind that their teams would never trade. The Angels are not going to trade Trout for him, and the Marlins are not going to trade Stanton for him, and the Dodgers are not going to trade Kershaw for him. I'm not really interested in trading him for a guy like Upton who could, possibly, outproduce him, but could just as easily not. He was an MVP candidate the last few years per his WAR. I would want one in return for him. I wouldn't get one.
Yeah, behind Yu Darvish and Jurickson Profar, Adrian Beltre is about as untouchable as players come on the Rangers.
Thank you, eric.
So then let's get back to the guys who ARE tradeable at the end of the year, namely Elvis. I want you guys to just watch a few things during this year that will impact whether somebody will trade for a year of Elvis. They way I see it, there's 6 teams who could and might do it. If all of these teams fall short of a WS title, I would expect all of them to, at least, be interested in trading for Elvis and here's some reasons why: 1. possess prospects to get a deal done (particularly high-level OF)2. feel pressure to win nowand some team specific reasons:Tigers- Dombrowski uses prospects to acquire MLB talent more often than letting prospects developYankees- covet Andrus and will want a replacement for Jeter (maybe he retires after this season, maybe not)Dodgers- Hanley can't play SS, ultimate win now modeRed Sox- buy some time for Bogaerts, always in win now modeCards- possibly want a top-level SS and might give up OF prospects to do itPirates- pitching prospects breaking into majors, big time move to win now
So, just a sidenote and things to keep your eyes on fellow Rangers fans!
Notify me of follow-up comments via email.