did texas ever make him a formal offer or did he decide to test free agency and take the most money? the more i think about it, the more i wish they had signed him. i think the market is defined by whatever team will pay the most for an impact player. would you have been ok with 27 million for 5 years?

No. But I would have topped out at around 4/90, which I guess says I'm not a big fan. I liked josh but the areas of struggle for him concern me now and concern me a lot going forward. Being a product of elite bat speed with no plate discipline to fall back on, the bone headed and thoughtless at bats, the collection of physical woes, none make me crazy about commitment.

Get over it.

Absolutely not. They'll hate that deal. Wait and see.

We all know they were only concerned with ZG and Upton...had they pulled that off Josh would have been gone anyway...Don't get me wrong, I cheered for Josh, Nap, MY, and others but I am looking forward to the new look of the Rangers and see if Wash can coach without MY....

It has come out that JD offered Josh a contract almost as lucrative in guaranteed money and more lucrative with performance triggers.

I believe strongly that if Josh wanted to come back here he would have taken JD's offer.

The brilliance of JD was to offer Josh something just slightly lower than his best offer so that if he came back it would be because he wanted to be here and not because he couldn't get as much money elsewhere.

The last thing we needed in here was a Josh who still felt jilted by the Rangers Organization. That could have been a catastrophically negative influence on the team, and JD was right to avoid it at all cost.

For whatever reason, it probably had a lot to do with Katy, Josh decided to foster illegitimate feelings that told him he had been jilted by the FO. This was obviously ridiculous, but when your wife is whispering in your ear you listen (its an ancient human tradition).

Bottom line, Josh went down a negative path by choosing to blame the Organization instead of himself, by choosing to foster illegitimate feelings of being jilted when no such slight existed. Why? Its the easiest thing in the world to blame others when you fail, which is exactly what Josh did under the contract year pressure.

He is human like all of us, and in spite of my comedic skewering of the Hamiltons here, I wish him the best. And the best will need to start with a lot more honesty about his true motivations and intentions.

All in all, I was never going to post on this again as I wouldn't mind never seeing the word Hamilton or Young in a forum title again, but since you asked that is my best speculative assessment of what happened.

but..but.. but.... Josh didn't make the decision to sign with the Angels; God told him to sign for more money...

"It has come out that JD offered Josh a contract almost as lucrative in guaranteed money and more lucrative with performance triggers."

Can you link to that? I haven't seen it.

"For whatever reason, it probably had a lot to do with Katy, Josh decided to foster illegitimate feelings that told him he had been jilted by the FO. This was obviously ridiculous, but when your wife is whispering in your ear you listen (its an ancient human tradition)."

This is pure conjecture. You have no idea how Josh felt towards the organization or why he was feeling that way. I'm not saying you're wrong, you could be right. But the truth is you and no one other than those very close to Josh know what his thinking was.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> but..but.. but.... Josh didn't make the decision to sign with the Angels; God told him to sign for more money...

Seems very few men of God decide to move to smaller churches for less salary. Most men lie to themselves very well.

rumors are that the angels offered him a deal that would be revoked if he used it as leverage for a better contract with the rangers. this is just a rumor and i'm sure that the rangers would had told josh to jump off a cliff if he would have brought the contract to the rangers.

It isn't very difficult or a conspiracy. The Rangers knew what they had after years of watching him, offered him what they thought he was worth and he got a better offer from the Angels, then took it without asking for a counter-offer. Simple.

MrMan

It is obvious that Josh and Katy felt jilted by the Rangers. They have revealed as much through what they have said about the situation (if you want to read the quotes do the work your self and google it). As far as me not knowing whether Katy influenced Josh you are right. But it is clear that Katy felt jilted by JD, and, I don't know, I figure its a fair bet that when a woman feels jilted she has an influence on her husband. But as far as speculation that the feelings originated more with Katy than with Josh and that Josh was influenced, you are right, I don't know that. That is only an educated speculation, which by the way, I acknowledged in my first post so I didn't need you to tell me that.

Anyways, you are wrong, it was not pure conjecture, only the part about the feelings originating more with Katy than with Josh. Furthermore, about the information that has come out concerning what JD was wiling to offer Josh I don't feel like I need to go hunting around for it. Pretty much everyone knows that JD was making Josh a very competitive offer with performance triggers that could have raised the total above the Angels guaranteed 125 mil.

All in all, whatever man.

@MrMan,

Gotta agree with Joe. I heard JD say they made him a lucrative offer (albeit not the same AAV) with my own ears. It was on the radio, a day or 2 after Josh signed.

I think Katie Hamilton going on and on at Josh's press conference about how upset she was with the Rangers' handling of his Free agency, is all the proof you need without actually hearing her say it outright.

I had heard the Rangers had let Josh's agent know that they'd only go 4 years, but the 4 years would be at, what actually proved to be, higher AAV than what the Angels offered. But, Josh wanted that 5th year to make the TOTAL package a higher value. So, instead of 4/$105, he went for 5/$125. He didn't want anything to do with incentives. He felt he'd "earned" his meal and didn't want to have to work for it, anymore.

Bad vibes on that one.

The rumored Rangers offer was 4y/$108M.

Just re-read Mrs. H's speech on dating as a metaphor for free agency. I had to struggle even to get to that point after Josh said he gave "everything he had" to the Rangers for five years. Pfft.