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Mike Rosenbaum, in an MLB.BLEACHER article, in assembling a Stanton trade to the MARINERS suggested it would take: Walker, Paxton, Franklin, Miller, and Pryor. From BA, Seattle's 2012 rated: #1,#3, #4, #11, and #15 = 285 combined BA GRADE.. The equivalent, and this really is from last year-and ratings to change: Martin Perez, Mike Olt, Neil Ramirez, Leury Garcia and Tanner Scheppers. The Rangers: #2,#3,#5,#11 and #16 = 290 combine BA GRADE. Ramirez has fallen off a cliff, so sub Buckell for him. This is what it would really cost the Rangers, from a Marlin perspective, Should the Rangers still have interest?
Who says no?
But I don't think that would get it done. And I don't think the Marlins want to trade him now. They are probably going to wait a little longer.
So you're telling me the Rangers can get Stanton without giving up Profar? If Olt/Perez/Buckel/Garcia/Scheppers will net Stanton, JD needs to have Stanton in a Ranger uniform five minutes ago.
There is absolutely no way that package gets Stanton. Kick Profar in and maybe the Marlins do it. Getting Stanton is likely to cost us just about all of our top tier prospects.
If a deal EVER comes up for Stanton that doesn't involve Profar. You say yes 10/10. The only problem is that I believe it would take some true magic by JD to get Stanton without giving up Profar.
Does Stanton's injury history not give anyone a second thought on giving up so much of our farm for him? I tried looking up his injury history but couldn't find a complete list. I know he had knee surgery last year could that maybe bring down his price a bit?
This was triggered from a pro-Marlin perspective on a trade to the Mariners, on a player they do not want to move. But it does reflect an equitable exchange between the Mariners and the Marlins. I then used BA to equate the Rangers prospects. Like I said, this changes in perception from year to year. RF, that was the Rangers top tier prospects, aside from Profar [who under nearly every circumstance should not be traded, just like Stanton]. The Marlins would demand a large prospective list of at least 5 top rated. If then this is the case, if Stanton is traded, then we can see him play in a Ranger game at least 19 times a season, in right field for the Seattle Mariners.Personally, if it included Profar there is no way the trade should be made from a Ranger perspective, even realizing a prospect is a prospect until proven at MLB level. Like it stood, the Rangers would be gutting their farm system/ future stars for one player. Unless a team's goal is win at all cost now, and damn the future. This kind of trade seldom works out well for continuance of that team's future. success.
You definitely figure Profar would have to be included. Their best homegrown prospects are at least a year away so their system won't be of any help this season, and without Stanton just look at the Marlins' roster. Their best hitter would be Logan Morrison. They definitely need multiple players who could play right now - preferably young and cheap as they're the Marlins - and they need to be able to hit. Profar and Olt could end up among their best players as early as this year.
Get real. This is not what it takes to get Stanton "from a Marlins perspective." This is what some bozo named Mike Rosenbaum thinks is "workable" or somesuch.
But he's not the Marlins.
Offering this nonsense - crap that's clearly about a million miles off base - as the "Marlins' perspective" is absurd, and touting that this is "equitable" for the Marlins, an offer they'd laugh at, is pretty much of a joke.
If you want Stanton, Profar will have to be in the deal. Otherwise, the real Marlins (not this bozo) will laugh at you and hang up.
Let me make this clear
IF WE DONT OFFER PROFAR FOR STANTON. THE MARLINS SPIT ON US, THAN UNSPIT ON US, AND SPIT ON US AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO GIVE ELITE TALENT TO GET ELITE TALENT.
I get what you're saying Les with regards to the Rangers system and how it equates to the proposed package coming from the Mariners but I think the reason we'd have to include Profar to equal that Mariners package is the quality of pitching the Mariners would be giving up. Walker is the second best pitching prospect in the Minors and Paxton likely has a floor of a really good 3rd starter (or what is considered to be the ceiling for guys like Perez and Buckel). In the end, Profar needs to be included because pitching is simply more valuable than anything other position and this trade would give the Marlins a probable TORP or at least a really good #2 plus a quality, left handed #3 to go along with the other prospects and from a value standpoint, nothing in the Rangers system besides Profar is likely to have the same value as either of those guys (not to mention that Olt and Franklin are probably about equal in terms of value given their positions). If there was any way for the Rangers to hold onto Profar and get Stanton (short of giving up Yu) I'd definitely be in favor of it but I just don't see a circumstance where that happens anytime soon.
To even catch the Marlins attention you would need 3 top 5 prospects 2 young proven mlb talent and maybe some bullpen/infield throw-ins.
If they don't trade him this year (which is strongly implied in everything we've read), it shouldn't cost as much it will next year.
Cole that is exactly what Rosenbaum's read: 2 starters with at least one ready for mlb, a reliever who could once settled be their closer, and a starting ss and 3b man; and all AA or higher. Key: no salary above minimum. That is why Martin, which would otherwise appeal to the Marlins and is due $11m over the next three years, was not included on the list
Im pretty sure the Marlins have room for that especially if nolasco goes too
In all honesty, the cost to acquire Stanton appears to be more than the potential gain from his acquisition.I would prefer a package like Elvis, Moreland, Perez, Buckle, and a PTBNL for Upton, Didi, and Skaggs.Texas would have a Berkman/Olt platoon at first with Profar and Kinsler up the middle with a talented MLB ready middle infielder in Didi and the best 3rd base situation in baseball with Beltre and Olt. Outfield wise you've got Murphy in left and Upton in right with a centerfield platoon of Gentry and Martin. Cruz projects as a part time dh and 3rd corner outfield guy unless he's traded following this proposed deal, while Berkman and perhaps Olt see PAs at dh as well.Our catching situation is solved with AJ and Soto, and a Skaggs/Ross/Grimm ST showdown for the 5th rotation spot will be intriguing to say the least.
I'm just saying either way Marlins can and will hit the jackpot. @Joseph lets say the rangers make that happen then the M's get desperate and offer anything the Marlins want and vice versa if the M's get Upton.
I could see a package that doesn't cost Profar, but I think it would require Elvis + Olt + more. I'd do it.
In truth, the Marlins can not afford to trade Stanton to the MARINERS if they want to draw in Miami more then the draw will be in Buffalo, Indianapolis or even Round Rock. Even an unhappy Giancarlo beats hands-down NO GIANCARLO. And that is the only way he gets traded, that he walks into the front office and demands Jeffrey Loria trade him. AND forced to cut loses, Loria trades him. A major point to consider, would a team want a player with that kind of character, who would confront the owner with personal demands over the interest of the team, on your team. Stanton is very unlikely to go that far, and therefore will be the mainstay of the Marlins for years to come. A reasonable trade I have mentioned in other forums is Andrus, who has more value then Upton, and Perez, Grimm, or even Buckel [who I would be most reluctant to trade] for Upton and SKAGGS. The Diamondbacks still need an all star mlb caliber shortstop to compete with the Giants and Dodgers. Before Kubel is shipped off to the Mariners or Orioles, the Rangers jump in and reluctantly relinquish Andrus and Grimm for Upton and Skaggs, may be with minor adjustments.
@CJ Marlins wont want andrus but texas can send him to a team begging for a ss like pirates for prospects and mix those with olt-perez-plus to get him.
Im sure a Walker, Paxton, Franklin + package would give Loria and Co a reason to trade Stanton. Than again so would a Profar, Olt, Alfaro + package
No player is worth the haul I've just read. That includes Stanton. Sometimes the hype creates a superman where a mere mortal resides.
Samson you got it, that was my focus in posting the forum topic. That in final analysis, Teixeira-type trades seldom work out for the team that gets that one player. That ONE PLAYER has setbacks, often through injury, or succeeds wholeheartedly and that team loses the player in a very few years to free agency, or signs a A-RODish deal that cripples thats teams financial flexibility, and as repeatedly demonstrated a superstar on a poor or even mediocre team does not win, it is a team sport. For example, the #1 player in all MLB last year on a majority of considerations was Troy Tulowitzki, and where did Colorado finish last year. Forget Stanton, way too costly: Upton is at least a thought, but likewise move on unless the Diamondbacks agree to the Rangers current offer.
You know what makes Giancarlo Stanton so good...... Put this in perspective, Stanton is younger than Mike Olt
The question with Stanton is whether he is a Mattingly, Murray, Thome type hitter or is he going to be a Bonds, Schmidt, Ruth, Mays, Mantle type hitter. Consistently great or game changing dangerous. If odds say the former then I would be unwilling to give up multiple players with high floors and All Star ceilings.
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