Forum > Ian Kinsler...Does this guy get picked off 1st base more than anyone in baseball?
Weak trolling is weak.
Romeo212000
If you don't know...you can just follow the mantra that my pappy used to tell me...."or open your mouth and remove all doubts of your Jackwad ignorance." Now move back to your latest X-Box game and try not to be bothered by your pocked-marked meth face, Romeo.
dan cedar
I feel the same way. Him getting back picked in game 7 of the world series in the 1st inning was huge.... could have made it more than a 2 run inning
James Kelley
Such stats are kept, but do get merged in the cs, which is a quite basic stat. and IAN had 9 cs last year, so probably reflects 4 or 5 at the most in pick offs, not so many as it seems. It was just noticeable.
les
@dan
Hi pot, meet kettle.
Romeo212000
According the Baseball Prospectus, Kinsler was the 5th-best base runner in the Major Leagues in 2012. Perhaps he got picked off an unhealthy amount, but his speed/instincts clearly made up for it.
Eric Reining
I suspect James Kelley = Dan Cedar = the same troll in various clothing we've seen around here quite a bit.
ProfarMVP
In 2012, in all of baseball only Andrus was picked off more than Kinsler. They were 1 and 2.
In 2011 Kinsler was tied for 1st place with 5 other guys in baseball for the lead in pickoffs. Andrus was tied for 3rd place.
The baserunning stats that Reining points to are batted ball stats based on advancing after hits. Most of those stats combine baserunning with the quality of the hitter behind them. I predict Kinsler will far pretty fall on those stats this year, due to having a weaker hitting lineup and less first to thirds on batted balls. I imagine he will also be in free fall in a lot of total value stats like WAR due to losing a fair amount of PAs.
djcahill
@Profar
I suspect you're right. Otherwise, I don't think he'd have lashed out in such a ridiculous over the top manner at me calling out his obvious trolling insinuating I'm a meth user. SMH.
Romeo212000
@DJ
If you think Kinsler is losing PA's you've got another thing coming.
Romeo212000
Uh, yeah. There's no reason to think Ian won't be a full-time player, regardless of what position(s) he plays.
Andy
Agreed that 2012 was a very down year in the base running department, not only for Kinsler, but for the entire lineup. Unless there was more truth to the whole "We ran out of gas" thing, there's no reason why Kinsler/Andrus/Gentry shouldn't have stolen more bases. Ian also had that ankle thing, but he was still productive on the bases.
Also, he's basically been an 80% SB guy since his inception in the league. He's not a burner, per se, but there isn't anyone on the Rangers with better INTANGIBLES than Kins.
Well, I mean, now that Michael Young is gone.
eric reining
"...but there isn't anyone on the Rangers with better INTANGIBLES than Kins."
Oh, dear God, Eric... Don't give the media any ideas for new storylines...
Rangerbourne
Too much sac bunting and stealing, let hitters hit
RangerMelons MLN468
"Too much sac bunting and stealing, let hitters hit"
If you don't like the game then watch hockey.
switch_hitting_witch
@djcahill, no, actually Jose Reyes (with 13) was picked off more than Elvis (9) and Kins (8).
The data is here: http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/2012-baserunning-batting.shtml
geo
I posted this on the Park Effects thread but is equally applicable here:
"
There has been some discussion of the Rangers adopting a more aggressive base running style to help compensate the loss of power. While O like to watch this brand of ball, the Rangers are not particularly good on the SB aspect of the game. Removing the stats for Josh, Nap and MY, the Rangers successfully completed 68 percent of their steal attempts (111 SBs, 38 CS). The MLB average is 74%. What they did in 2012 was not very good and if it is not improved then more SB attempts will yield insignificant run improvements.
More Gentry may be a little more help, as in 2012 he successfully stole at a 65% rate, but lifetime his ratio is 82%. It makes you wonder why 2012 was so poor, as in 2011 he was successful in all 13 attempts."
Ian stole successfully in 21 of 30 attempts, or a 70% success rate. Better than the rangers but still below the MLB averages. Lifetime Ian is 157 out of 188, or a 83%. In 2011 the Rangers completed 143 of 188 attempts (76%).
2012 was a poor stealing season for the Rangers, so much so that I can only deduce a lot of the failures were due to poor situational steal attempts. Both Gentry and Ian had poor years stealing. Maybe Ian is slowing down, but Gentry isn't. Wash needs to rethink his running game because if 2012 is indicative of the running game, it is not working and is not productive.
primi timpano
The reason I think Kinsler will lose PAs is because:
1) The team as a whole will lose PAs due to being a less effective offense than last year's.
2) I suspect Kinsler will be moved to the middle of the order, given the current lineups lack of power hitters.
DJ Cahill


I can't seem to find any data on this and nobody seems to mention it on Rangers broadcasts, but c'mon...he's got to be close.