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Edwin Jackson: Right handed Derek Holland.
TBiA: Danger Zone for RHP
Why would we trade away a lefty version who has a better chance of success in his home ballpark? That wouldn't make sense.
Rafael Soriano: Give up a #1 draft pick for a 3rd closer. Hmmm... pass.
I think our front office is aware of the anomaly at TBiA that we loving refer to as the "Jet Stream" and that lefty pitchers tend to mitigate its effects a bit. So, trading away Matt Harrison (potential 20-game winner) or Derek Holland (playoffs hero) or Martin Perez (younger, more composed version of Dutch without the seasoning) for anyone who wouldn't be the second coming of Josh Hamilton? Or, at least, Ken Griffey, Jr, A-Fraud, King Felix, Albert Pujols, Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Stan Musial... Trading one of those guys should be carefully considered then discarded altogether.
Trading Yu Darvish would be reason for castration.
Trading Alexi Ogando really wouldn't make sense, either. Not sure the return would be worth his actual, unrealized value as he's kind of been bounced around a bit; although he's had success wherever we've put him.
I don't think any of our pitchers are going anywhere.
I would be fine with Jackson at 4:48. He doesn't have the best career numbers. but I think him having the security of being in one place for an extended period of time and not being bounced around every other year will help. Also maybe the Maddux brothers can make him more consistent. Adding him to the rotation gives the rotation a bit more upside, and still keeps everyone in the rotation under the age of 30. Then looking at the big picture he frees up Perez to be shipped of in order to get a MOTB. It's not just about what he will bring. It's about the big picture and the dominoes that signing him would create. That's what some of y'all need to look at more...look at the big picture. Also signing Jackson gives us the security of having a good, cheap, young rotation for the next 3 or 4 years with still the ability to go out and trade/sign for another ace.
Edwin Jackson had a lower xFIP than Jared Weaver...I would take my chances with this signing.
I see no reason to trade Harrison or Holland following a Jackson signing. To me, Jackson is a mid-rotation arm that gives you more certainty next season than Martin Perez. I like Perez, but having him move to the long-man in the bullpen isn't a bad idea, nor is having him pitch this season at AAA. I expect Harrison to be re-signed, but Perez can fill that void if Matt leaves in FA.
All that being said, a Jackson signing would also allow you to trade pitching prospects to fill holes. We can't look at these potential FA deals in a vacuum.
We are not rebuilding. Bad teams rebuild. That's what the Astros are doing, and what the Marlins should be doing. This is not a bad team. They reload, like Boston is doing. That's what the Rangers are hopefully doing; a few key trades or free agents and you're a possible contender again.
Jackson, for about $50m or less, seems like a good pickup to me. That would essentially give us 3 #3 starters, a possible #2 (Harrison), and a possible ace. I'd be good with that; most teams don't have a #3 at the end of their rotation.
Agreed, Andy. My hope going into this offseason was to pick up a mid-rotation pitcher to finish out the rotation. While it's not exceptional, that move would help offset some of the offensive production lost through FA. I'm not convinced improved pitching and an improved defense won't be enough on their own to offset those offensive losses, and that's before factoring in another FA signing (e.g., Swisher or Pierzynski) or a trade.
If you have Edwin Jackson and Alexi Ogando as your 4th and 5th starters behind Darvish, Harrison and Dutch I think that is a a pretty stout rotation. Jackson is a work horse kind of pitcher like Colby Lewis is and was for us. Why his #'s are not eye popping they are decent and we need another starter and there is not a better starter than him on the market. He is only 29 and he routinely pitches over 180 innings a season. He also has pitched in both Leagues too. We need to do something. If we are not going to trade for a starter Jackson is the Rangers best option.
More than a decade ago the Dodgers signed who they thought was the next Stewart, next Gibson, and arm that could touch 100, that was Edwin Jackson and sure fire Ace for years. That has of yet been completely materialized, but give Jackson some stability of place, who knows. He still has the arm, under 30, and could be an excellent signing by the Rangers, or the next Adam Eaton (a name to alway haunt JD). My view is that he will be a success with the Rangers, sign him for longer than two years to establish stability. May prove to be a major surprise and success, going back, Stewart took awhile to develop, and even at Texas.
Jackson is a consistant innings eater. I see nothing wrong with rolling him out there as the forth or fifth starter. It will allow the Rangers to bring Ogando back to the set up position once Colby comes back.
The only reason I kind of like this is it provides Colby a less sense of urgency to come back before he's 100%. If he does get signed here, we will have essentially brought in a #1-2 SP in Colby and 3 high-end bullpen arms (Soria, Feliz and Ogando moved back) by the time the trade deadline comes. That's quite a haul if you think in terms of trades. If our offense can be consistent for around 4-5 wins, we should be fine. But the mantra needs to be survive til we get healthy. Once we get healthy, we'll have the depth (assuming we're healthy...so doubtful) to trade for a bat. A Darvish, Colby, Harrison, Holland/Jackson rotation and a Nathan, Feliz, Soria, Ross, Ogando, Holland/Jackson bullpen for playoffs would be pretty stout. We just need some consistency (please sign Swisher), run the bases well, and timely hitting. The Rangers have accomplished all these at one point or another over the past 3 years, so it can be done. We may not win the division, but I bet we're in a dog fight for the WC with 4-5 other teams. Don't worry, Ranger baseball will still matter in September and give us a ton of heartburn.
I would love to see Edwin Jackson -- at the right price.As well as Delmon Young --- how come no one touts him as an outfield bat -- at the right price.And AJ -- at the right price.And Puma to DH and 1st Base.
All four at the right price would round out a fairly descent team.
JD would still be looking for relievers, but then he could focus on pitching, IMO.
As I recall Jackson has pretty good stuff and ground ball tendencies. Putting him into the rotation gives both stability and depth while giving a good amount of upside.
I think Jackson is the best bang for the buck to replace wins lost in FA. There are lots of worse ways to spend 12 million bucks each year for 4 or 5 years than a workhorse pitcher's 29-34 seasons while still having upside.
I am not concerned about the offense. Hamilton took several months off, Young was being an anti all star and Napoli returned to his career norms. I really think Martin, Olt and Profar can replace a significant chunk of the wins lost by this group since they under preformed so badly. Slide in Pierznsyki into that group from the FA market and I think you functionally replace your FA player losses. They are not the sexy big names but I think they get the job done.
Jackson gives the rotation depth with the loss of Feldman and gives cover if Ogando has not developed that third pitch since Ogando in the 5 hole is lots better than in the 4 hole where he can not be hidden as much, until Lewis returns.
Best of all I think Pierznsyki and Jackson come to town for less than Hamilton or Grienke so there will likely be a budget left to work for the remaining holes which is that scary looking bullpen.
Rosenthal tweted that Ross came to town for a dinner meeting last night too. I would rather have Ross in RF than Cruz or Swish, better defense about the same bat.
I have no problem bringing in Jackson he is decent. But not a impact pitcher. I do not think they need Ogando back in the pen. I think you will see Colby on rehab until an injury or ineffectiveness plagues someone starting and perez in AAA, if Jackson signs. But I am not convinced that Jackson is a major upgrade over Perez.
After rethinking and reading Sully's pragmatic retort, I'm thinking this is another agent/media hyperbole.
Spending money chasing mediocrity and then catching it only to have to release a comparable already there mediocre player with a different name is silly. You can only play 25. And then who goes when Colby and Feliz come back?
I don't expect much of anything out of Feliz this year, and I don't see Colby rounding into form until post-AS break. Lewis is on a one-year deal, so we have to consider the rotation beyond just 2013. I think we re-sign Harrison and have Darvish, Jackson, Harrison, Holland, and Ogando under control for several years, meaning we don't have much room for pitching prospects to break through except in the bullpen or in the case of injury. That means taking some of the surplus pitching talent we might have and shipping it out to replace some positional talent we've lost. If Jackson throws 180 innings with a 4.00-4.50 ERA, I think that's an improvement over Perez in 2013 or Feldman/Oswalt in 2012. And if that allows you to make trades to improve the club in other areas, it's a win-win.
To be honest, I would rather take my chances with the younger pitchers and set expectations for 80-90 wins this season with an outside chance that we go Oakland and win the division.
@lwayne: Colby is on target for a June return. He may or may not make that, and he may or may not be as effective. Feliz probably won't be ready until August or later, and if he comes back they'll probably use him in the pen, at least for the rest of 2013. But if Colby comes back healthy and effective, having 6 capable rotation pitchers is a good thing. You never know when one or more of them will be injured (see also: 2012 Rangers).
Did Edwin dump Boras as his agent? I'm with signing J.P. Howell for now. Get Jackson, if a bargain.
I'd actually be ok with Jackson as our #4/#5 starter for 4/48 (5/60 makes me a bit nervous, but still I think I would do it). This would give Perez another year (maybe 2) to soak in AAA and develop. He was already the youngest pitcher in AAA/MLB last year, he needs time to mature.
Colby Lewis, if he can round into form, would be a great asset to have before August/September. Ogando seemed to fade down the stretch his first year starting. Matt Harrison faded hard last year. So maybe COlby could come back and we have a 6 man rotation for the stretch to rest our starters?
Profar I think should start the year in AAA with Perez and be a June callup so we keep an extra year of control, but that's a whole other matter.
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