What is your opinion of the A.J. Pierzynski signing?
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According to Joe Frisaro, the Marlins might now be willing to deal Giancarlo Stanton. It would cost us a lot in terms of prospects, but I would absolutely love to see Stanton hitting at RBiA. Here's the link:http://joefrisaro.mlblogs.com/2012/12/13/could-hamilton-decision-sway-marlins-thinking/
Me too. I am not ready to continue drinking the Koolaid that this FO is infallible and we are simply stupid or reactive if we say anything negative. The Rangers need help. IMHO, Stanton will provide plenty.
Stanton is one of the very few players I would be willing to deal just about anyone for.
Wonder if they'd take something like Olt + Elvis + Buckel + ...? I honestly don't know what would need or want.
Last night on baseball tonight they mentioned this. 2 proposals those clowns gave Stanton for Elvis+ Olt+ Perez or Stanton+ Morrison for Cruz+ Profar+ Olt + Perez. I'd do the 1st one and probably the 2nd one too if I knew we could lockup Elvis.
Profar, Olt, Leonys, Perez, plus more if I had to guess
If there's any trade situation where Stanton becomes available, you do it. If you don't have to give up Profar, you do it and never look back.
Reports that I have read say they might be willing to move Stanton in a deal centered around Profar OR Olt. So maybe not necessarily the both of them. If there is a way to get Stanton without giving up Profar or any main piece of mlb team besides Andrus I say yes in a heartbeat. You don;t even think about it.
Well, it doesn't necessarily say Stanton is available. Regardless if we had signed Hamilton, I'd bet my house that this call has already been made, so we wouldn't have to think about Hamilton anymore. Sigh... I would offer just about anything that didn't include Profar. Elvis, Olt, Perez, Martin? All yours. Elvis, Olt, Perez, Cruz and cash? Yep. You wanna throw Nolasco on us? All good too.
But this isn't happening.
Stanton has 4 years until FA and only 2 for Elvis so that's a no-go for Miami, no matter what else is involved. Profar and Olt get the conversation started.
Am I absolutely nuts to think ARZ would still accept Elvis for Upton? That relationship with Upton and their front office is clearly strained, plus the D'Backs have a crowded outfield and could always flip Gregorius to fill other holes. If you're the Rangers you at least have to consider it now. I'm really, really worried Elvis signs with the Yankees or Angels for stupid money in 2014. I don't love the idea of trading Elvis but the core of this team is morphing before our eyes and it's not written in blood that Elvis has to be a part of that new core, especially with Profar in waiting (assuming this Stanton deal ain't happening).
I would center a deal for Stanton around Olt in about the time it takes me to blink. Olt + Perez + Buckel?
Likely not enough BZ. Going to have to add Profar or Elvis.
I will come and pay everyone one of you $100 if the Rangers swing a deal for Stanton, I'll give you each $200 if they do it and keep Profar..in other words, move along, nothing to see here, is a pipe dream, like all the other supposed rumors and moves we were told this offseason.
Trade who ever you have to get Stanton. He is a stud. The deal starts with Profar,Olt and Perez. Elvis makes too much for the Marlins.
Would love it, for anything, but I doubt it gets done, despite the fact that I think it's in both teams' best interest.
If Profar isn't in a deal for Stanton the Marlins are not going to trade him to the Rangers.
Send Profar for Stanton and then extend both Stanton and Elvis to 2020. Get GS 23-30 years and EA's 24-31 years. They can both go sign their mega contracts then.
No way you trade Profar in any trade for Stanton. Olt, Perez, Buckel and a couple of lower tier prospects would have to do it. Don't think the Marlins would want having to deal with Elvis and Boras on impending free agency in a couple of years. Stanton is very unhappy there and the Marlins want to go with younger and cheaper players. Something could get done but they won't get Profar.
Marlins would be fine with Elvis. He's making $4.8 in 2013, they could immediately flip him or trade him at the deadline or next winter and bring in a haul.
@WS that's just silly. JD accepts immediately if he's offered Stanton for Profar plus Perez. Stanton is the talent of Josh Hamilton without the head problems, a true generational talent. Profar could be a top 10 player in baseball for years to come and he's still not going to be as good as Stanton.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/is-trading-giancarlo-stanton-even-possible/ - this article shows that the Rangers get surplus value even if they include Olt and Profar. Stanton is THAT valuable.
I hope I'm wrong, but this feels like much ado about nothing. A random journalist writes an article that is complete conjecture based on sparse evidence. Nothing has been said by any 'source' that indicates Stanton is available. I'm guessing Price is more available- and he's not either.
Elvis, Perez, Buckel, and Gentry
@AggieStanton is available, the price is just huge...as it should be. Danny Knobler of CBS, he's a source, reported he's available for 3 great prospects and probably 2 more players.http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/danny-knobler/21261229/marlins-dont-plan
Does Elvis, Olt, Perez, Moreland and Cruz get it done? That's a damn good offer, even without Profar. But surely they demand Profar.
Elvis should have more value than 1 top level prospect. If not to Miami to someone like the cardinals or tigers. He's 24, controllable for 2 years and has put up back to back 4 WAR seasons. I'd imagine teams like the Cadinals or Tigers among others would give 2 top level prospects+ for Elvis now. Use that haul to help land Stanton.
If this is doable, you flip Elvis for an A+ prospect and a B+/A- prospect, and use those as the cornerstone of the offer to Miami, possibly with an Olt or Perez. Something like Taillon and Marte from Pit, then send both to Miami with Olt (Buckel if you can get away with it) and a lower-tier 4th prospect, for Stanton.
Maybe sweeten the deal by including a reasonably good 5th prospect for a reasonably good, cheap veteran RP, a commodity rebuilding teams are always looking to flip for prospects, and something we could actually use.
I stand corrected. Thanks for the info. Definitely a steep cost for doing business.
I'd prefer to center a deal around Profar than give up that much major league talent for Stanton (ie. if its Elvis plus Olt or Profar, they can have profar). But, I seem to be in the vast minority of people who think Profar is highly unlikely to be better than Elvis in the next two years and just might never be. I also think the best use of Rangers big money resources is extending young players into their age 31 season, rather than signing players like LaRoche. Last, I think Elvis would accept an extension that keeps him here until he's 31.
Don't get me wrong- keeping cost down means keeping low dollar high quality players like Profar. But, Stanton fits into the same category, so I don't mind making the trade.
Just read my comment, I didn't mean to come across rude if I did. Definitely not my intentions.
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