What is your opinion of the A.J. Pierzynski signing?
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I'm not interested in R.A. Dickey for the price the Mets want for him. The only viable option I see out there is Anibal Sanchez. If we don't get him, we're just going to have to hope we can resign Hamilton and trade for Upton and ride our offense into the playoffs.
Yup. Gotta go hard after the Animal here unless JD really feels like wheeling and dealing.
I understand that Sanchez is a good pitcher. But there are so many potential good Free Agent pitchers coming out next season that I would rather wait and go with what we've got and sign Hamilton and trade for Upton and not have to worry about offense next year. This way we can go into next offseason worrying about getting a pitcher or two. Lots of good options.
I'm looking at the potential free agents next year, and I am not thrilled.
The Rays STILL have 7 starters with Price/Hellickson/Moore/Niemann/Cobb/Archer/Odorizzi. Small chance Hellickson is still dealt.
I really hated George Steinbrenner in my days. Actually, I was damn jealous of his total commitmentto winning. His pation was on the edge of crazy, buthe damn well knew how to get it done. The Boss- Winner.Nor was he (Tom) petty... "Damn the Torpedoes" George!
Sanchez could cost more than CJ? Is he worth it?
His peripherals aren't that different than CJ's historically.
I believe if we rolled out on opening day with our current rotation we would be fine. We wouldnt blow people away with our rotation but we would be good, if the injury bug hadn't hit our rotation this year we would have had one of the best ones.
1. Yu Darvish, we all know how this dude has nasty stuff and easily has potential to be an ace as he was in the last couple of months last season. I believe 2013 is the year when Yu takes the official title of "Ace"
2. Matt Harrison. As was one of the most talked about threads on this forum "Harrison Dominates His Critics" He was supposed to regress last year, and guess what he only got better. He is now a year older and has another year of experience under his belt. He fits in perfectly with RBiA. Not saying he will be an ace but you can do SO much worse in the #2 spot.
3. Derek Holland. Whenever Holland is on his game he has the potential to be dominant. The only question surrounding him is which one we will see in 2013, be it the one who gave one of the most dominating performances in the 2011 WS. Or the one who struggled with his command and velocity down the stretch last season. Again he is another year older and has another year of experience. I think if he is going to reach his potential (#2) this is going to be the year he is going to do it.
4. Alexi Ogando. Ogando has always been a strong pitcher in the starting rotation. He had a blistering start to 2011 and in his spot start last year he picked up right were he left off until a hamstring injury in the 5th stopped him. Going back to the rotation this year I believe he will pick up right where he left off again, he has a blazing fastball and good off-speed pitches, again many teams would kill to have this guy as a #4 or even #3 Ex. Los Angelas Angels
5. Martin Perez. He is the only big time question mark in the rotation, but even so he has HUGE upside. He was once pegged as a future ace with Johan Santana like comparisons. I know that has dropped off since then and now his upside is more of a #2 guy, but he is still just 21, he is a lefty, and he still has nasty stuff he just hasnt quite been able to put together yet.
Then you add in the mid-season acquisitions of Lewis and Feliz, that will be a huge boost come that time. There might be a problem as to where to put them! I know the Rangers don't have a true ace, but they do bolster one of the more deep rotations 1-5 in the game. I would rather spend Money/Prospects on Josh Hamilton, Justin Upton, and a catcher rather than over-paying for a pitcher who would only be marginal in upgrade over what we have.
I actually agree with Fajita. Without Greinke or Shields I do not see a major upgrade out there. Honestly Dickey scares the crap out of me. I am not sure the knuckleball translates well to the AL.
I think there are rotation upgrades out there, but they'd be upgrades for the bottom of the rotation. We've beaten teams with ace pitchers in the playoffs before, so it's not like we MUST have an ace to compete. What we need to make sure of is that we field the best overall team possible so that we can get to a postseason series in the first place. If you put Sanchez, Lohse, or any other mid-rotation pitcher available now in there last year instead of Oswalt or Feldman, we win the division easily.
I agree that the rotation shouldn't be seen as that big of a need, but I'd still like to see them add another back-end guy just in case. As much as Feldman sucked for most of last year, he was valuable as a spot starter and I don't see that guy currently on the roster unless they want to stretch out Ross or roll with Grimm as the longman in the bullpen. As far as how they use their available cash though, I'd rather see them upgrade the offense with Hamilton and Upton, or if Hamilton gets too pricey maybe Upton and Bourne (his market is disappearing pretty quickly so a high AAV, short term deal might be in his best interest). I'd also rather see us use Olt to get a catcher than Dickey, though I guess I'm one of the few that's not as worried about his transition back to RBiA.
Agreed, Ryan. Feldman was solid out of the bullpen, and we'll miss him there. Without question (in my opinion, anyway), we need another guy in the rotation who doesn't have a question mark by his name. I think Perez will be a good pitcher in the bigs, but I'd rather pay somebody for some certainty and deal Perez/prospects for certainty at another position of need (as you said, catcher).
I wouldn't trade Olt at this point, because he's pretty much the only viable backup 3B we have now and he can platoon with Moreland at 1B (if necessary). Realistically, by 2014, I think he splits the 3B minutes with Beltre so Beltre can have some "days off" as the DH.
Many of the names mentioned as trade possibilities are merely a Perez, a Ross, a Scheppers, a Grimm, or a Ramirez a couple of years removed. It is ALWAYS great to add a GREAT player but the price paid must be looked at. For way too many years the Rangers traded away the future, which often came back in another uniform to beat the heck out of us, trying to find a quick fix. The Angels tried that last year. Oakland develops their own and seem to do quite well. I say JD and his pals are 100% on the right trail afa new players are concerned. Deal from strength, not panic looking for a shortcut quick fix.
We have a pretty good rotation that if they stay healthy and if Lewis and Feliz come back healthy and their old-selfs we will be fine. But look at the positives of not signing Grienke. One is I think he would of been a potential cancer. Secondly, in two years it could be arguably the best pitching class of all time depending on who signs extensions. With Clayton Kerhsaw, Felix Hernandez, Justin Verlander, Justin Masterson, and Yovani Gallardo. Did you really want to be tied down with 6 yrs and over 145 million for a #2? It would of been nice for this year and next year but in 2 years you would wish we had more money freed up for say Hernandez.
I'm trying to imagine a situation in which Felix, Verlander, and Kershaw reach free agency. I think all of their teams are going to throw lots of money at them to keep them. The odds of each hitting free agency are reasonably small.
But yes, it would be nice.
I'm looking at the potential free agents next year , and I am not thrilled.
How do Carpenter, Josh Johnson, Ubaldo Jiminez, Jair Jurrjens, Phil Hughes, Adam Wainwright, Matt Garza (aka the BBTiA heart throb), and Tim Lincecum not get you more excited than Greinke, Loshe & Sanchez?
Also, Shields, Vogelsong, Halladay, Lester & Johan Santana all have team options so we may see one or two of them come free (or at least traded for salary relief and a prospect or two).
Carpenter is old. Johnson is injury-prone. Jimenez and Jurrjens fell off a cliff. Hughes was never really on the cliff, though he had one good season, but it was before he became a starter. Garza strikes me as a lot like Holland, with his up and down years, but with a higher floor. Lincecum fell off this year too, but he grabbed a branch and might be able to climb back up. Although I just don't see him leaving SF. Wainwright looks like the most likely to hit FA and get excited about. Johnson could be good if he'd stay healthy, and I suppose some of the other guys (especially Garza and Lincecum) could put up great numbers again.
Also, I didn't say that isn't a better class than this year. I said I wasn't thrilled.
Anyone interested in Edwin Jackson? I'm not sure what he's looking for - maybe with the way he's switched teams in his career he's looking for a longer contract, but the Nats got him on a 1 year contract last year so maybe he's available on a 1-2 year contract.He's not great but he's solid, and he'll work well, I think, until we can go after some FAs in the next two years.
As it is, with a Darvish/Harrison/Holland/Ogando/Perez rotation, we've got and......? as extra starters. If we get our usual slate of pitcher injuries, we're screwed. I'd be much more comfortable with someone like Jackson (or someone else) in the rotation, and Perez as our 6th starter. I think we have to pick up another starter even if it's not a big signing - a #4 or #5. I'd be extremely nervous going with what we have now and hoping no one gets hurt until Colby gets back mid-season - assuming he's even ready to jump in and pitch every 5th day.
In my post above, first sentence of the second paragraph should read "we've got Grimm and....?"
I know the Dodgers have money out the wazoo but I just don't see how they could go and spend 200 million on Kershaw when they just spent 150 on Grienke...There has to be an end to the spending eventually right?
What about Roy Oswalt? Nolan likes him, playing here would be close to his home, he's a gamer.
Good one, NorthTex.
Fajita I just dont know. I think most people thought that if there was a limit, it would be with greinke because of what it would mean for kershaw. IMO, the fact that they gave greinke a record contract basically just means that no, there is no limit...
I see what you did there NorthTex.
Of course, the Dodgers probably don't have a whole lot of need for one or more of Aaron Harang, Chris Capuano, or Ted Lilly if, y'know, that interests you at all. I can't expect they'd command much in return in a trade.
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