Arizona trades: Upton skaggs and Bauer
Receives: Andrus Young and Buckel

Texas trades: Andrus young buckel olt martin feliz and moreland
Receive: Stanton Morrison and Nolasco

Miami trades: Stanton morrison and nolasco
Receive: Upton Bauer Olt Feliz martin and moreland

Thoughts and suggestions?

Andrus = Upton
Skaggs/Bauer > Young/Buckel

Isolating the secondary part of the deal, I doubt ARI gives up two of the best starting prospects in the game for just a one-year rental of Young who's also making a huge $16 mil this year and Buckel who maybe has a #3 ceiling.

I see maybe scratch skaggs and give them low level prospect?

Or...

Don't even consider trading Young. His value sucks right now. Nobody is going to be willing to eat that contract (except maybe the Nats), and how do you propose we fill his spot?

I know MY has a bunch of doubters around here and I've never been sold on opposite field singles hitters, but let Dave Magadan work with Face for a few weeks and see what this extended vacation does for his aging body. I'm expecting a bit of a bounce back season. Not silver slugger worthy, but enough to ride this white elephant contract into the sunset.

Yes, I think for them taking on the expense of Young and the fact he's just a rental you have to downgrade what we get back.

Otherwise it's a creative well-thought out deal. Maybe a little too complicated to actually go down but you never know.

Its complicated but teams will have to give a ton to get stanton but a 3 way trade may ease the impact on the farm.

Very creative, but...

I want no part of Morrison. We'd get better offense out of Ian in the outfield.

Also, I'm not very high on Nolasco. His ERA, in the NL, was substantially higher than I would like to add to our rotation, and his FIP, xFIP, and SIERA don't all suggest that it should have been significantly lower than it was. Like Harrison, he doesn't get many strikeouts but induces a fair number of ground balls. I like Harrison, but I don't think we need an inferior clone of him to fill out our rotation.

I suppose if we got Stanton, though, I might be willing to accept whatever we had to take along with him. But I'd prefer to move Nolasco if we should have to take him, and I'd like to move Morrison too, if we could find a sap to take him, even for a sack of bats. Seriously, he's not that much better than Young, and he'd be at best 5th on the list of guys I want playing the outfield, and that's assuming no Josh, no Upton, etc.

But...that's an awful lot to give up for Stanton plus whomever we'd get in return for Nolasco and Morrison, which I'm guessing would be the equivalent of Chone Figgins and a future Bobby Crosby.

Morrison is a first baseman though and has high upside and figures to be healthier with a move to first

Danny,

In 3 years, 1146 PAs Morrison has a .250/.339/.442 line with a declining OPS+ -- and he is a LF, not 1B
In 3 years, 1042 PAs Moreland has a .264/.328/.441 line and should be fully recovered from a wrist injury and whatever zombie stomach bug made him lose 15 pounds in 6 days.

What are we gaining here?

Morrison is a first baseman he was drafted and developed as such he was rushed and moved to the outfield. He is planned to be put back on first base and the reason for his declining numbers were his knees and with the movement to first that shouldnt be an issue anymore.

Okay, if you put Morrison at 1B his glove looks better. His bat still looks bad. Do not want.

Also, I think "LoMo" is a stupid nickname.

Why is everyone complaining about Morrison? Stanton is the main piece in the deal!!!!

It's all pointless anyhow, because Stanton isn't getting traded for a year or two.

Because Morrison is baggage. As is Nolasco. You want us to move the following:

- Andrus (an all-star shortstop with 2 cheap years of control left)
- Young (an aging contact hitter that's likely to be an offensive drag and provide replacement to bad defense at any of the 4 IF positions)
- Buckel (likely mid-rotation fixture that's promising and still has several years of development left)
- Olt (we know how high his potential is)
- Martin (same with Olt, but he's closer to proving whether he can achieve it)
- Feliz (a one-time projected ace that could, possibly, still be on track for that if he recovers from TJ)
- Moreland (a cheap 1B with reasonable, if average, offense and defense)

...and get back...

- Stanton (one of the best young hitters in the game)
- Morrison (a 1B whose growth was likely stunted by throwing him in the OF where he clearly doesn't belong, and whose bat is somewhere in the neighborhood of Carlos Pena and James Loney)
- Nolasco (an inferior version of Matt Harrison)

I want Stanton as much as anyone, but, whew, that's a lot to give up. Especially considering I don't want Morrison or Nolasco and would just as soon flip them for anyone I could get. I could do a WAR analysis, which would provide a reasonable yardstick for how much worth is likely to be traded here, but that would take longer than I want to spend on it, and I can't imagine the Rangers wouldn't come out way behind.

^^end of discussion. Blow up thread.