Procurion. Eric doesn't need an alt anything, certainly not from me, and I alt for no one. And it is "primi," not "primo," but thx for the compliment.

@andy: you've taken 'kins for dn'a' a little too seriously. it'd definitely require more from the farm. but you can't just review it from a stat or money point, the teams trajectory is part of the equation. and tor is going all in... now. so from the point of view of winning now, kinsler improves a position of need, and dn'a comes from a position of strength. and if you agree that kins had a down year and will rebound to an average somewhere between his 7.5 war 2011 and 3.2 war 2012, then he's likely to double, triple, or quadruple d'arnaud's war (if he follows a wieter's like progression) over the next 2 years, i.e., the josh johnson, jose bautista peak zone. that's a lot of value, especially from a playoff hardened guy who can add leadership and experience. but it's a short term vs long term decision.

regarding andrus for price, you're right, tb wouldn't want elvis and his exploding price tag anymore than tx. but involve a 3rd term, and add more from us going to tb, and it's a possibility to consider.

sorry, my quick math was off and 'quadruple' is wrong. but double is reasonably conservative if dn'a does a wieter's progression ( dn'a 4 vs kins 8 war), and if kins surges to something like 10.5 war over the next two, he could approach tripling dn'a, who is still an unproven, if highly touted prospect.

It's clear why folks want to move Kinsler. There really is no way to envision keeping Andrus and Profar if you keep Kinsler, because moving him to 1B/COF is pretty ludicrous when you look at his 5/75. He'll become MY all over again, albeit 1 million per year cheaper.

Personally, I don't think it is that big of a deal because I don't see us signing Andrus past 2014 so Ian will probably stick at 2B where he probably is worth his 5/75. If I thought we could re-sign Andrus, I'd definitely rather move Kinsler, because I doubt he ages all that well and if I had to bet on one of the 2 over the next 5 years, it would be Andrus due to age.

@djcahill: i agree about preferring andrus, but i am a more optimistic about kinsler's value into his thirties. he's a power hitting 2nd baseman, and that shouldn't diminish horribly during the length of his contract. i don't think he'll be the contract pariah that michael is, and he said he's willing to change positions, which is more than can be said about mikey, even if he begrudgingly made the switches asked of him.

but please, oh please, let's find someone else to bat lead-off!

Yes, unless Ian starts getting on base more like he did in 2011, Elvis or Gentry should probably lead off. Profar also profiles as a leadoff hitter, from what I can see. The way he hit this year, Ian needed to be hitting 6th, and Elvis and Murphy (or Gentry) batting 1st and 2nd. But c'est la vie.