What is your opinion of the A.J. Pierzynski signing?
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1st Question:What is Elvis's trade value in terms of prospects? Lets say we were in a rebuild mode and wanted Arizona's prospects rather then Justin Upton. What would he bring in, Bauer/Skaggs/Pollock? Is that too much for Elvis?
2nd Question:This may be naive, but if you packaged your prospect haul from Elvis + Mike Olt and offered it to Miami for Stanton, would it be enough to pry him loose?
1st question: Yes, that's too much.2nd question: Yes, naive. The Marlins aren't going to trade Stanton until he starts becoming expensive, especially for someone about to become expensive like Elvis. It doesn't matter who you offer. This is how they operate. They keep the cheap players while they are cheap, and when they start costing they trade them off for more cheap players. Stanton isn't even arb-eligible yet, so he is the definition of cheap.
Not saying you trade Elvis for Stanton...You trade Elvis for prospects & package them with Olt for Stanton.
I understand that Stanton is cheap, young, and what so many people throw out as "untouchable", but he is in a complelety different situation then a guy like Trout, Harper, etc. From the looks of it, the Marlins won't be competing any time soon and Stanton's talents will be wasted on a sub .300 team. Maybe they wait until next year or the year after to trade him, but if you offered them a stout prospect package to go along with what they have so far, they could have a young, cheap team clicking at about the same time.
I would have to agree with Geo in that the Marlins wouldn't want Elvis because he will soon become a FA. However, they would probably be all over Profar IF they didn't get back an affordable SS in the trade with the Blue Jays. I'm not saying Profar won't be better than Escobar but it's not the most critical position they (the Marlins) have to worry about right now.I think that if you built a package including Olt, M. Perez, L. Martin, and 1 more very good, fringe blue chipper, they might at least listen to what you have to say. I don't think it would be enough, in fact I know it won't be enough, but you would at least peak their interest enough to know if they are serious about trading Stanton and what it would take to get him.In case you haven't checked out Stanton's stats, the guy hit 37 HRs in 440 ABs... that's 1 HR for every 12 ABs. Give him 660 ABs and you're talking about HR totals in the 50's! Factor in half of those ABs would be in the launching pad, you're looking at a guy who could easily hit 60 HRs a year. Seems far fetched but he's truly a once-in-a-lifetime power hitter. He reminds me of a young Mark Mcquire in his prime steroid abusing years.
One more time...I'm NOT suggesting you trade Elvis for Stanton.
I'm asking what kind of prospects could you get for Elvis. Would the prospects you get for Elvis plus Olt be enough for Stanton?
I also agree with Geo and Pablo about the cheapo marlins not taking Elvis in a trade. They would prefer prospects.
I think that kind of package would appeal to the Diamondbacks as they could then trade Upton for other major league talent and have a really quality lineup for the next few seasons. That said, I'm not sure if, packaged with Olt, it would be enough to land Stanton. Bauer and Skaggs have really big upside but, at least with Bauer, some red flags as well while Pollock seems like a quality prospect but probably has the ceiling of an above average regular than a star. I'd be interested in seeing if the Cardinals would part with Taveras and Carlos Martinez for Andrus as I think they might have more appeal to the Marlins when coupled with Olt and perhaps someone like Buckel or Grimm. It would be a lot to give up but Stanton would be worth it. Also, for people that say Stanton's untouchable, I agree that he should be about as untouchable as anyone in the game but I don't think the Marlins are going to be overly concerned with any more public backlash given that they had next to no one going to the games anyways last season and have already sufficiently ticked off the majority of their fan base to the point that they won't have anyone really going to the games even with Stanton. Their only hope of winning the fans back is to field a decent/consistently contending team and that's best accomplished by trading Stanton (though the best time to do so might not be for another year or two).
I think Elvis would get one top tier and two 2nd tier prospects. Not as much as the Tex trade, which is what I'm basing my opinion off of. The DBacks wouldn't trade that much talent IMO.
For the 2nd part, I think Stanton is untouchable still.
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