What is your opinion of the A.J. Pierzynski signing?
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Well with the fire sale going on in Florida, all I can say is Jon Daniels take notice and offer up a nice fat package for Stanton!!!
I was about to say this, reportedly Stanton and others are unhappy with the trades, I assume bc they don't want to play on a rebuilding team. Stanton tweeted that he is pissed. Article from SBN: http://mlb.sbnation.com/2012/11/13/3642686/marlins-blue-jays-trade-reaction-twitter/in/3406767
It would be great if the Rangers could somehow get Stanton, and I think he would be happy to move to a contender. Of course Miami isn't going to just give him away, he's a great player, and I would much rather have him than Upton. That said, Miami will be looking for prospects, so Andrus isn't really an option to be a big part of this trade the way he could be for Upton. Idk what JD would have to give up, but damn I would love Stanton on our team, for the right price of course.
Now that Miami has made it clear they're not going to try to contend this year, I want Stanton on the Rangers roster by this time tomorrow. I don't care if JD "overpays" for him.
Profar+ Olt+ Perez+ Martin
I think I would deal profar for stanton. Neither makes much and they will both be superstars.
For Stanton I don't think u could over pay. Hell of a ball player. He could probably put up 50 bombs in Texas.
They just got 2 SS from Blue Jays. Why not see if they'll bite on Olt + Perez?
Please be on the phone right now JD.
Olt, Perez and who else?
They are in need of starting pitching in a big way. I'd offer up Holland, Perez, Grimm and Olt. Might get it done. Then offer Stanton a long term deal something like 6/90 try to sign Greinke if not trade Elvis and pieces for Price. DO IT NOW!!!
I would love Stanton as much as the next guy, but I don't think any deal gets it done. I feel like if you bring up his name, the Marlins will hang up the phone. Unless you want to give up Profar, Olt, Perez, and other pieces.
I would give those pieces up for Stanton.
I really don't see Stanton comign to Arlington. He has an attitude problem from what I read, however that probably is due more to the volatile situation in Florida than anything else. But just for grins I would suggest Perez, Olt, and one other minor league pitcher for Stanton. I owuld not give up Holland or any other major pieces. The Marlins don't want anyone making any kind of money right now. In fact it seems to me that this is not a rebuilding situation, it seems to me more of positioning the team for a fast sale or something of that nature. Why else do you dump that many of your "everyday" players for that little in return.
This owner has done this before, he is one of the worst in baseball. After the 2005 season, 2 years removed from the World Series, Loria pulled the plug on Josh Beckett, Paul Lo Duca, Mike Lowell, Carlos Delgado, and Juan Pierre. He at least held on to Dontrelle Willis and Miguel Cabrera for two more seasons before trading them to Detroit. I think Stanton will be a Marlin for the foreseeable future.
The meat of this trade has already exchanged hands. Best the Rangers can get from this are the scraps that fall off the bones i.e one of the 100 catchers now in Toronto. Stanton ain't happening, bet my next 5 paychecks on that.
Is Stanton does happen (Which I can see happening) he wont cost a Profar+Olt+Perez+more. Just look at what all the Blue Jays got...they didn't give up either of their top two prospects and got the deal done. We throw in Murph plus Olt and someone else and you could have yourself a deal.
There is a huge difference in trading Josh Johnson and Jose Reyes and moving Stanton. The Marlins got rid of over $200 million in contracts by trading Johnson and Reyes. Stanton is making less than $500K right now. There is no reason to trade Stanton, because he is making virtually nothing. It is one thing to trade a bunch of big contracts, but it is completely different when you are talking about arguably the best young hitter in all of baseball.
Stanton is awesome, young, and cheap and controllable for a few more years. Those 4 traits define "untouchable". I always wonder why people always always always think a team would be willing to deal a player using only the criteria: "if they're given a reasonable offer". This isn't fantasy ball. This isn't "Well DET would deal Verlander if PHI offered Hamels and Papelbon" or "Well LAA would deal Trout if WAS offered Gio and Clippard and Desmond blah blah..." It's just unrealistic to think some guys are on the table if the right offer comes along because there will be no right offer. The team likes the player so much they're keeping him no matter what.
Still like my Alex Gordon idea, but I think KC is using him as bait to land a TORP. Maybe we could somehow get involved in a three-way.
I would offer up almost anything outside of Beltre and Darvish to get Stanton... I would throw out Cruz, Olt, Perez and another young pitcher (Grimm maybe) for him. Cruz is the only one making any money but its only owed to him for 1 more year.
Stanton is a beast of a player and incredibly young so it is unlikely that the Marlins trade him but if he throws a fit to get out of there maybe it is possible.
With Stanton, the Marlins have a similar situation to the Rangers with Teixeira a few years ago. As you recall, 3 of the 4 prospects we got in that trade all have had a huge impact at the major league level for us.
The Marlins can try to rebuild now, kinda like the Astros started to last year. But they didn't get quite the huge haul that the Rangers did with Tex. They could possibly do so if they wanted to trade Stanton. The right deal for him could set the Marlins up in a big way for the future.
When you're rebuilding, no one is off limits. Now, I realize the Astros essentially traded everyone with any experience for whomever they could get, and are truly starting over. The Marlins need not go that far, but they could still net some huge gains.
Although his name hasn't been bandied about, I'd bet a brass nickel J.D. and probably 10 other GMs are already calling Hill and seeing if they can put together a nice package for them, even if they only call once.
Stanton is the type of player you build around, not trade away. I just don't see him being traded...even if he throws a fit. The team has control of him for a while so they have the leverage and can wait him out. There is no reason for them to trade him now especially with everyone in Miami pissed off because they basically used all those guys last year to sell the new stadium. Fans would riot if they lost Stanton too.
I think Logan Morrison would also be a good idea. He could put up good numbers and would be cheaper than Stanton...if they are willing to part with him that is.
Guys, the Marlins aren't moving Mike Stanton. I hate to rule anything out, because I'm not that guy, but this is a generational talent. There are only between 5-10 of those guys in all of baseball at one time. He's tasting the fine air of some elite company. Right now, in baseball, the list goes Trout, Harper, Heyward and Stanton. Assuming health, those are going to be the 4 most productive players in baseball over the next 10 years. You might be able to tack on Jurickson Profar's name to that list in the next couple years.
To trade for such an untouchable talent, the Rangers would have to trade their untouchable talents. You see how that works?
We're talking about more than Mike Olt and Martin Perez and Justin Grimm. To get Mike Stanton, you need to take it to the next level.
We're talking about Profar/Olt/Perez plus a couple of PTBNL. Of that list, you're talking about relinquishing Joey Gallo and Jairo Beras. Do you really think it would be worth it to shovel across that much future talent for one player? I acknowledge how amazing Stanton's bat is; I don't think that's up for debate. But even at that, I don't think it's worth it to give up between 150 and 200% worth of future WAR to get one guy.
I would certainly overpay for Stanton, but I'm not willing to give up Profar with the uncertainty at shortstop if Elvis Andrus isn't going anywhere for the next two years.
When have the marlins EVER kept guys they could "build around"? Josh Beckett, in his prime, was that type of player. So was miguel cabrera. The marlins have a very specific plan that they follow to a tee (at least until the last offseason). Overload the farm system and trade guys before they start to get expensive. Say what you want about the strategy, but how many championships do they have in the last 10 or 15 years? However, its pretty early, even for the marlins, to trade stanton. Im not sure when he becomes arbitration eligible, this year or next, but they have no reason to consider moving him until at least he is down to 2 years of arbitration left.
Well Stanton's under control until 2016. So there's 3 years of bomb-dropping before he gets expensive.
If the Rangers can somehow find the hidden treasures of Atlantis they could offer that plus Profar and Olt then maybe the Marlins will bite.
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