What is your opinion of the A.J. Pierzynski signing?
MJH on accountability
@MT~Simply means an aspect/tool in/of a "recruiting process". For a pitcher, the handling/coaching, even mentoring, are important. It shows a Championship Insight/mentality, with field/bench generalship. Maybe Brothers Maddux or Ryan, are not directly involved(maybe are?). The stature of ALL three as pitchers, can play a nice role (maybe) in the final outcome/decision of signing. JD holds the key. We know that. I'm nottrying to diminish his input, but the tangents are there & in OUR favor.
I would rather have Kuroda who is a ground ball machine and doesnt walk many. I would rather spend my money on LaRoche, Pierzinski and Cabrera.DH=CruzC=Pierzinski1B=LaRoche2B=Profar3B=Beltress=AndrusLF=MurphyCF=CabreraRf=KinslerWe could even package Olt, Moreland, Sardinas, Kinsler and Martin for a Stanton if we were to play our cards right,
Pierzinski and LaRoche. Ew. Melky in center field. Ew.
Miami wouldn't accept that package.
Why would anyone take an overpaid under achieving pop up machine like Kinsler???
If Michael Young leads the league in leadership, Ian Kinsler leads the league in body language.
Well, it's looking more and more like the Dodgers are going to blow everyone out of the running for Grienke, to the point that the Rangers will almost certainly fall out of the mix.
"Well, it's looking more and more like the Dodgers are going to blow everyone out of the running for Grienke, to the point that the Rangers will almost certainly fall out of the mix."
In reading that article you linked, I didn't come away with your conclusion at all.
It did say some unnamed someone thinks it's going to get pricy with the Dodgers actively in the mix, and that the Angels appear to be left behind and now shopping elsewhere. But it didn't say the Rangers have dropped out.
The total numbers speculated are big (the unnamed source guesses the deal will top Sabathia's 7 yr 161M deal). But while we haven't heard reports of where the Rangers' stopping point would be, the average of $23M a year there doesn't seem necessarily prohibitive if the Rangers saw this 29-year-old as a priority. Weren't they willing to open the wallet a year ago for Darvish to the tune of an annual average of about $18-20M (counting the posting fee, which certainly is part of the cost to sign him) for a less proven pitcher?
Here's the article.
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The Angels, once considered the favorite to keep free-agent pitcher Zack Greinke, are now unlikely to sign him, according to sources.
The Greinke market is beginning to play out and, as colleague Jon Heyman reported over the weekend, the 29-year-old right-hander could be setting up to sign a record contract. The Angels, who once regarded signing Greinke as their top offseason priority, simply don't seem willing to provide that.
Greinke has drawn strong interest from the Dodgers, who are operating under different spending limits than the Angels (or just about any other team). The Rangers are also known to be interested.
And the Angels, who still don't have a No. 3 starter behind Jered Weaver and C.J. Wilson?
"It won't be Greinke," said one person familiar with their plans.
Things change quickly during negotiations. The Angels' focus appears to have shifted away from Greinke, whom they acquired in a July trade with the Brewers.
The Angels would still need to shop for starting pitching help. But for now, they seem unlikely to chase any of the other big-name (and big-money) pitchers such as Anibal Sanchez or Kyle Lohse. They're more likely to look to lower-cost options who would fit at the end of a big-league rotation.
@David You are absolutely correct that the article doesn't mention the Rangers although the article does say that the source believes Greinke's deal will eclipse 7 yrs, 161M. I'd be hugely surprised if the Rangers top 7 years let alone agree to 7 years. I'd also be surprised if they were to exceed 23M AAV but we will see. Ultimately, my worry is that they will try for Greinke, his price will grow too high for the Ranger's blood and they will lose out on all of the other FA while concentrating on Greinke and will be left with a team that won't win more than 85 games.
@ Dark Reins
I'm sure we'll have other potential deals in place while waiting on Greinke. We're not that desperate that we're going to wait on Greinke indefinitely at the risk of losing out on other FA's/trade opportunities. At some point we're going to say to him, "Take our offer or leave it" and if he leaves it, then JD just shrugs and talks into the other 3 or 4 phones in his hand and gets a deal done.
I don't know who Kristin is but she posts the consistently most thoughtful posts on this forum without stooping to character assassination, profanity, and name-calling. Just solid baseball thoughts.
Don't fret, I read an article today saying the Rangers were the favorites to sign Greinke today. It's all posturing. The Rangers have just as much money as the Dodgers, they're just fiscally responsible. I wouldn't even be surprised to see them go 7 years on Greinke. Preferably it's a vesting option year, but regardless he may be worth it. The way the market is moving, 7/160 may not be horrible in a few years.
Umm, the Rangers dont have anywhere near the cash the Dodgers do. They're going to go the Yankees route and try to buy a championship. And it will probably work.
Their new TV deal is absolutely ridiculous.
The Rangers don't seriously think they can sign Greinke. They can, however, run up the price for others while they make a stealth attack elsewhere in the market. Our GM is smart.
@jwood. It is to my detriment and misfortune to not know anyone here, other than electronically. I have simply assumed Kristen W. is Kristen Wiig, at least that is what Google search leads me to believe.
@Kristen. Very nice posts across this board. Although I agree with your description of JD, certainly metaphorically, I hope he has better telephone gear than a line of phones, each with one handset; love the image.
CIL may have a lot of cleaning up to do next season.
"Don't fret, I read an article today saying the Rangers were the favorites to sign Greinke today."
Who's the source? Link please?
"The Rangers have just as much money as the Dodgers, they're just fiscally responsible."
While they do seem to be more fiscally responsible than the Dodgers lately, I agree with Jeremy (and practically everyone else): without looking at their financials we can't say for sure, but I think it's a pretty good bet most organizations can't compete with the Guggenheims, who, per Wikipedia, control about $160 billion in assets. They paid $2.15 billion for the Dodgers in cash. The Rangers seem to have more money than a lot of teams, but certainly not all.
"The Rangers don't seriously think they can sign Greinke."
I think they can. I don't think they will, but they probably can. It just depends how much the Dodgers, possibly still the Angels, and perhaps the ever-present "mystery team" are also willing to pay him.
"They can, however, run up the price for others while they make a stealth attack elsewhere in the market."
If the Rangers don't sign him, I hope they do, and that will be something we can take a bit of solace in as long as his team doesn't win a WS.
Frankly, I dont foresee Rangers doing much of FA Impact Contracts(similar to 2012 Season).We may get a Secondary Arm and a couple of Vet fill-ins w/BP. Looks as if Speed & Defense take the forefront. Addition & regular play of Martin/Gentry and Profar... BIG Plus!Maybe an ODD (speed COF) bat to help Beltre & Cruz in the middle. IF TB opens up(?) in trade for our want/need of a legit TORP... major key. Myers/KC would be a nice way to add youth, speed & bat to lineup. Thatz going to cost in MLB ready pitching. I'm not going to jump for joy, with *any catching sign... Oh BOY, AJP?
Looks as if HIGH expectations(+War) fall on slumped shoulders of Kinsler, Cruz, Moreland/Young/Olt... time to (finally) step-up.Asking too much?
Actually, I look forward seeing the platoon combo of Martin/Gentry.Revamped 2013 Ranger Team... Mmm, not so much.Wake up & Step up for 2013... Yep, itz come full circle with Budget.Not quite the Poker Glare or hand we want to be dealt. Let's COMPETE!Does (just) compete equate to competent for 2013? Win's the West?
I see JD *waiting to add during All Star break or just before season start.
Ugh oh, it's "Wash Ball"... speed, defense, bunt & patient timely hitting... Kids in the BP with just enough Front Pitching to keep us in the game.Does JD really hand/trust 2013, or at least the first half, to Wash's Generalship? Surprise me JD... Please surprise me. In TORP I Trust.
I nominate this for post of the day. Maybe more.
Andy, when you say "Guggenheims...control about $160 billion in assets" that supposed asset base isn't what you think it is. That $160 Billion is not money that is theirs to own, invest at their discretion, or do with in whatever way they please. Instead, when related in the manner it was, it is basically the total amount of value in client accounts, assets under supervision. It might be invested in Apple stock, treasuries, and municipal bonds. If your 401K is in an account at Guggenheim Partners, it makes up some of that $160 Billion.
The partnership itself (Guggenheim Partners) undoubtedly has assets it owns worth a substantial amount and it acts like it will throw cash wildly. But who knows? In any event, the idea that it's an endless well of money from which will be spent indiscriminately with no thought of profit, has become a convenient belief that's more likely an unintentional caricature.
Does anyone else think that the character known around these parts as "HubZ" might possibly be Ron Washington?
Umm, Big G has been known through out History tofinance even wars & gold stabilty, along w/ Rosen$%^&*.BIG MONEY! England v, Napoleon is a nice read.Much to do with Bonds/Gold etc.Kept the Britz afloat... Anyone hear of WWI/WWII?Yep, fingers in deep.
Can someone please explain to me just what the hell is going on?
damn.. that's one of the strangest writing "styles" I've ever tried to read much less comprehend. Nothing screams knowledge and understanding quite like sentence fragments, obscure references and general weirdness... its like Hemingway and Capote had a love child. (:
Yep, fingers in deep.
I don't think you meant that to mean what I took it to mean, unless you did mean for it to mean that, in which case this baseballball discussion is taking on a whole new meaning.
What were we talking about?
@ansel: my point in mentioning their asset management figure wasn't to suggest that they had that much cash. It was to illustrate the magnitude of their worth. I have no idea how much cash they have, but if they control that much value, surely they have access to more cash than any of us will ever see, and it's not too big of a stretch to assume they have more money available than most, if not all, other teams in MLB, and possibly other sports all over the world.
"Can someone please explain to me just what the hell is going on?"
When HubZ is involved, there's no telling.
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