What is your opinion of the A.J. Pierzynski signing?
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Say the Texas team says to ZG, "So, sign here, we'll pay you what the Angels would pay, and you'd join a rotation with Darvish, Holland, Harrison and Ogando. You're all under 30, think of the long term potential, and Zack ... you would not have to be The Guy. We have The Guy. You could be A Guy."
Would that appeal to him? Or turn him off?
He would run off and take his anxiety meds.
Greinke wouldn't be the guy in LA either.
What will get him here is offering the most money.
Greinke will never, ever, ever, ever sign with the Rangers. Fuhghetabout. When do young elite free agent pitchers EVER volunteer to pitch in Arlington?
Why submit to 10-35% instant run inflation and see your opportunity for top rankings, awards and recognition get flushed down the toilet? It's a horrible career move for any young pitcher...and it's why it doesn't happen.
JD will focus on trading for top pitching and using free agency for big bats...because the converse is true for sluggers...they dream of playing in Texas.
Profar, it's great to have you back, and now, like always, I'm here to tell you how wrong you are on this one.
This isn't the 1999 Rangers. Pitchers have actually had a lot of success here over the last few years. Think about your boy Matt Harrison, think of Cliff Lee, Derek Holland in flashes; oh, and that Yu Darvish guy, in his first Major League season.
The foundation is here for any pitcher to succeed, particularly in Zach Greinke's special case, due to his personality. This clubhouse has always been open-minded to dealing with new personalities, whether it's Josh Hamilton or Milton Bradley, CJ Wilson, whoever you want. For a pitcher, there isn't a better position coach in baseball than Mike Maddux.
I know you're anti-SABR, but Greinke's 3.22 xFIP will survive anywhere. Hell, he produced 5.1 fWAR, same as Yu Darvish in 2012. That would be one of the most dynamic 1-2 punches in all of baseball.
If he makes it out onto the open market, which it looks like he's going to, I give the Rangers as fair a shot as anyone else not named LAA, KC or MIL.
@ProfarMVP,I understand the idea behind what you're saying, but unless I'm being extremely naive Greinke is going to sign between $144 ( Cole Hammels got 6 years and $24 mill per = $144, mill without the benefit of the market) and maybe upwards of $ 160.($27 AAV for 6 years = $168 million), with one desperate team likely to drive up his price. This leads me to believe that if the Rangers are the highest bidder then they will sign him, regardless of what the effects are of pitching in RBiA could have on his numbers. I don't think he is looking past this contract. I'm not saying the Rangers should make him a $168 million offer, but simply stating that the guy is about to get PAID!! He is not looking 6 or 7 years down the road. I think he will be looking at this offseason as his chance to make as much as he can. Simply put if the Rangers offer him the most lucrative contract he will be a Ranger for the next 6 or 7 years
Eric chirps ...and now, like always, I'm here to tell you how wrong you are on this one...I love to watch you try. :-)
Eric contends "Pitchers have actually had a lot of success here over the last few years."We've certainly had good pitchers on the team. But our boys consistently take a lot of knocks when playing at home. In 2011 our pitchers had an ERA 1.18 higher at home than when away . In the mild Texas summer of 2012 the gap was still .27. That's a stiff tax rate that democrats might like--but no pitcher would.
Eric continues: "I know you're anti-SABR, but Greinke's 3.22 xFIP will survive anywhere. Hell, he produced 5.1 fWAR, same as Yu Darvish in 2012. That would be one of the most dynamic 1-2 punches in all of baseball."
I just happen to be riding NEXTGEN SABR, while you are getting left behind. And hell, I've got SABR muscles enough to kick you round easily enough. ;-) Look I'd love Greinke, but I've lived life long enough to know certain things just aren't going to happen so it's better to redirect efforts and focus elsewhere. Greinke. The Rangers. That won't happen.
Consider how and where we get pitching:1. Trade2. Foreign markets3. The Farm4. Old veterans that might be willing to play for championship above any other concern.
That will continue. Mark it. Book it.
Gringostar...for most pitchers it's more than just the money. We all want to succeed in whatever we do and be recognized as a success. Pitchers certainly aren't any different.
Go look at the lifetime ERA of Felix Hernandez when he comes to Arlington. Or David Price. Or innumerable other top pitchers. Unless your name is Matt Harrison you likely aren't tough enough to cut it.
For those who are saying that sluggers want to play in Arlington and pitchers don't be sure you understand that with the $10M-$12M revovations at The Ballpark this winter the Cuervo Club is being completely redesidned and when you walk in from the home plate entrance you will be able to see the field........which could very well mean that the wind currents from southerly winds will have nothing to bounce off of and head back out to right/right center field!!! Very good possibility there will be no more "give me" home runs due to those wind currents blowing back out........thing about that folks!
Price, Hernandezs' et al ERAs being inflated in Arlington may have some to do with the park, but an argument can be made for the quality of offense they face when they are here.
Throw the number aside.
Maybe he wants to pitch in Arlington because it would give him the best shot to bring home hardware. Would you rather be a career 3.00 ERA pitcher with a couple of Cy Young's or be a 3.50 ERA pitcher with three rings?
Good point Nompton. Plus he's already got a CY, but not a ring
Pretty sure Greinke views LAA as having as good a shot as the Rangers at bringing home the trophy with Trout, Weaver, Pujols, Frieri, etc. being an awesome core of talent and us most likely losing Hammy. Money'll be the deciding factor. That's it.
@NomptonI wonder if Greinke feels the same affinity toward the Rangers that we do. If he doesn't me might not hold the same opinion that the he would have a better shot with the Rangers than the Angels. I'm not even sure if I believe that right now.
I think Grienke goes back to LA unless the Rangers make a significantly better offer. LA has a pitcher's park and the ability to have a bigger payroll.
I doubt that we get him. I think the only way it happens is if the Rangers decide to blow everyone else away the way that LA did with Pujols and Detroit did with Fielder. And that doesn't seem consistent with the Rangers philosophy or with the notion of a $135 mil payroll. But the Rangers did make a big offer to Cliff Lee, so we'll see.
I wouldn't sign Greinke. Rotation is good with Darvish, Harrison, Holland, Ogando, Perez. Lewis returns in July. Feliz returns in August. Lets let it play out.
You can never have enough good pitching. Look at the Giants, they swept the world series in a year that their ace completely fell apart. Even without Timmy they were still a pitching powerhouse. We're losing Hambone and have money to spend. When's the next time a 29 year old Cy Young winner will hit free agency? Signing Greinke not only strengthens our team but also cripples a division rival(LAA). The way the year ended and losing Hambone makes me think that the ownership will drop some big bills this off season.
CraigM, it will be interesting to see what happens with the ballpark once the new enhancements are made...and if it does indeed impact that home-run aiding boomerang wind to right.
But that's only one source of run inflation in Arlington. The other is simply the heat. Balls travel better in hot conditions, and I even suspect pitcher's get less sinking action when it's super hot.
RFan, I very much agree with your last post. I'd think we'd have to beat the market by 15% or more to entice Grienke...and that just doesn't seem to match the investment style of the front office.
When considering Greinke's cost keep in mind his WAR in Texas plus the amount by which it exceeds the WAR of his likely replacement for the Angels. I don't know if a 1:1 correlation is appropriate but the Angels look pretty crippled without him.
"When considering Greinke's cost keep in mind his WAR in Texas plus the amount by which it exceeds the WAR of his likely replacement for the Angels. I don't know if a 1:1 correlation "
Fuck-I can't stop laughing
Tex Baseball, you seem like a very miserable person with no purpose in being here but to try to make everyone else as miserable as you are.
Your posts are 100% of the troll variety...and serve to broadcast nothing...except how unhappy you are.
You really have nothing more pleasurable to do than make loud belches on a stat-loving baseball site?
And what did your last post accomplish? Did I hurt your lil feelings? Was it wrong to post about the comedy of Primmi's post?
Also, Profar, you haven't been around much lately so I feel that I should fill you in on my comedic stylings. Spelling people's names wrong is FUCKING HILARIOUS.
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