What is your opinion of the A.J. Pierzynski signing?
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I've seen a lot of David Price rumors...Is there anyway the Rangers could land him without giving up Profar/Elvis? Who would we give up for him?
I still can't get over your name. I've been sitting her asking myself if your name is P Hart or of you're trying to make a fart joke. Hee hee.
In short, I don't see any way the Rangers could get Price without giving up Elvis or Profar. While they might do it for Profar straight up because of the years of team control he has left, they would likely require more than just Andrus (something along the lines of Martin and pitching). It is a topic that has been discussed at length in other posts though with more detailed debates and explanations than what I've given. If you search for pretty much anything in the Forums about Andrus, Justin Upton, or even Ian Kinsler you're likely to see it discussed. That's not to say a new post about it wasn't worth starting, but if you're looking for more detailed answers it'd probably be easier and quicker to search there.
Easy way to answer this question:
If you were the Rays, would you take anyone other than Profar/Elvis for your star pitcher?
I've thought about this, and I think Andrus for Price straight up would be fair. Price is signed for an extra year, but will be more expensive, and is a pitcher. I think I'd do that deal from either side (depending on team needs/ comparative advantages).
But, the Rays and Rangers have really good front offices. And, especially with the Rays, they can't necessarily afford a "fair" deal. Why agree to a fair deal, if you can get a deal in your favor from another, dumber GM.
The best bet for a Price deal would probably have to be a 3 or 4 teamer.
Elvis for Price is not a fair deal. The Rangers would come out of that like bandits.
Please, if you are going to discuss trades of any kind, MAKE THEM PLAUSIBLE.
"Is there anyway the Rangers could land him without giving up Profar/Elvis?"
And stonecutter, I lauged hysterically when I read your post. But you keep dreaming.
I agree with Eric... there is absolutely no way the Rays trade Price for Elvis straight-up. I don't think they'd do it even for Elvis + Martin Perez + L. Martin + a decent pitching prospect (i.e. Grimm) or 2. They would want 1 established superstar + 2 potentially All Star level players + 2 very solid players to one day provide qualiity, big league caliber depth (both in the field and on the mound). Price is not just another TORP (i.e. Greinke)... he's a top 5 pitcher in ALL of baseball! You would have to completely overwhelm the Rays, and although I would LOVE to see how many games a Price/Darvish combo would win, it would ultimately gut and deplete the team/organization... and in case you haven't been paying close attention, there have been alot of trades in the last 2 or 3 yrs and this farm system is no longer rich with really good players. You have big names in Profar and maybe even Olt and Perez but we don't have a plethera of position and/or pitching talent like we used to.
This may sound crazy and unbelievable, especially in hindsight, but when the season began I threw out the idea of privately shopping Hamilton. It would have been detrimental at the time, and we wouldn't have won 93 games without him, but JD knew Hamilton was going to cost somewhere north of $150M and there was little to no chance we'd re-sign him. He should have shopped him around to those offensively starved, desperate, "one bat away from contending" teams and fetched a hefty haul of 3 or 4 blue-chip prospects (similiar to the Texiera trade). It would have been a ballsy/gutsy move for JD... one that could have cost him his job if it blew up in his face... but those are the types of trades that make you legendary and I would feel alot better now if we had something to show for letting Hamilton walk.
If I'm the Rays Gm, I don't deal for Elvis. I already have a capable SS. I have a pitcher (Price) who is more valuable than Elvis. Price, from what I have read here, is locked up longer than Elvis.
Also, as a small market team with chronic attendance problems, I'm going to lose Andrus to the Yankees after his contract is up, anyway.
The Rays let guys like Elvis walk. They may sniff around a deal with Profar plus several other players. But why would the Rangers gut the franchise?
@drseussThe Rays already have a capable SS? And who might that be? Zobrist is better at 2B, Sean Rodriguez is awful and got sent to AAA, so that leaves.... Elliot Johnson?
The point is that whether they have Price or Andrus the next two years (Price technically for three years), they won't be able to resign either one so the argument becomes which one would help them more during that time. Price is an elite pitcher but will cost twice as much as Andrus (at least) in arbitration each year, and when you look at the strengths/needs for both teams you can see why they would deal a SP for a MIF, and the Rangers would do the opposite. Yes the Rays will want some more long-term controllable pieces and I'm sure the Rangers will include a top prospect like Perez but NOT Profar. He is untouchable.
"The best bet for a Price deal would probably have to be a 3 or 4 teamer."
What is this, the damn NBA?
@Pablo" I don't think they'd do it even for Elvis + Martin Perez + L. Martin + a decent pitching prospect (i.e. Grimm) or 2. They would want 1 established superstar + 2 potentially All Star level players + 2 very solid players to one day provide qualiity, big league caliber depth (both in the field and on the mound). "
You're joking right? I seriously laughed when I read this.
"The farm is no longer rich with really good players"
of what little faith ye have..
Who names themslves FAJITA?
He has a brother named Guacamole and a sister named Quesadilla.
My mother is Enchilada and my dad is Soft Taco..
Funny, I figured your mother would be Soft Taco and your dad Hard Taco.
/I'll show myself out.
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