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Sorry if this has been discussed already. I've purged my mind of all things Rangers the past 4 days, and haven't scoured the message boards for this topic. I'm sure it's come up here and there, but I couldn't be more disgusted w/ Ranger fans.
Booing a player throughout a playoff game. A player that has been a main, if not the main, contributor to bringing relevance to this franchise. I am all for letting him walk for the money and the big contract, but, how despicable and classless can a fanbase get?
I love that the Rangers have wide spread support around the metroplex, but I guess it comes w/ the baseball uneducated, bandwagoners, who started cheering in 2010 and expect World Series runs every year. What an embarrassing moment for Ranger fans. As if the end of the season wasn't bad enough. Absolutely terrible Ranger nation. Absolutely terrible.
I agree with most things you write, and that's no different here. I was so dejected in the instance he was being booed that I really could feel nothing but apathy for the entire situation. I was so bummed out that our season was going to end that I really didn't have a reaction to the "fans" voicing their displeasure. In retrospect, I think it was dumb and showed a lack of appreciation.
I'll be happy to see Josh walk and get his money, but in no way did he deserve the booing from the fans. And, personally, I'd rather just see some of these fans trade in their claw and antler T-shirts and move on to being Yankees fans where this type of behavior is tolerated and, in most cases, expected.
I don't know that I feel quite as strongly about this as crow does, but I think most of us can agree that it was in poor taste to boo one our own players.
That being said, I was at the game sitting 10 rows behind home plate and I can tell you that the fans frustration with Josh intensified as the game went on. They didn't just decide to boo him out of nowhere. It started with him going up there in key situations and just flailing away at the first pitch he saw instead of having a quality AB. You would see him in the dugout or on deck and he was out of it. He didn't have his game face on and anyone that looked at him could see that.
I'm not justifying what some fans did (I was not booing, and it was only a small group of fans...probably the very ones crow mentioned) but the combination of Josh's repeated poor ABs with his bad body language and complacent look on his face was enough to send some fans over the edge.
Apparently, the authority all things baseball related has spoken. All hail Eric! So mote it be!
Unless the audio pickups at the game were all apparently in the "small group of fans," there were a gang of boos. Like, in the multiple thousands. Even at that, it's pretty short-sited to boo the player, as Crow said, that put the Rangers on the national map. I mean, he brought an MVP to Arlington, and a lot of very stellar baseball.
I'm not denying that he may or may not have checked out at the end of the season, but no #bodylanguage or "complacent look[s]" discount all that he's done for the franchise on the field over the last 5 years.
Agree 100%. I was on twitter during the game and found the total disdain for Hamilton shocking. One guy said they should all get together in Dallas to organize a Hamilton memorabilia burn. I don't get it. I understand he sucked down the stretch (which Rangers didn't, really?) and that he does and says things that make him an easy target but he has done more to bring national relevance to the Rangers than any 1 player in their history. More than Juan Gone, more than Pudge, more than Nolan. Because his teams went deeper than any Rangers teams.
I am one of the very few who hopes he is in a Rangers uniform next year, but can understand the reasons he probably won't be. It kinda makes me sad to think that after all he's done for the franchise that so many are wanting to run him out of town like a bum.
I agree, I know i was just as frustrated as anyone at the game was at Josh's lack of effort (or whatever you want to call it), but at the end of that game i might not have gave him a standing O but i sure wouldn't have booed. Hamilton's time here ended roughly, but what he brought to us is way more valuable. He basically put the Rangers on the map, and for that we will have to thank him. He is walking this off-season, and to whatever team he goes to I hope it is an NL team.
I agree with what your saying Eric. I was just stating what I saw from inside the park.
And yeah a small group of fans was still probably a few thousand but there were 47K in the stands and some of the ones booing where actually wearing O's jerseys.
Still...it was classless and showed just how entitled some people can feel.
I was at the game. It was terrible.
I think the boos came out of pure frustration....knowing that Josh is capable of so much more than what was given down the stretch. It's hard to back (much less applaud) a guy who acts like Pedro Serrano striking out and basically shrugs his shoulders when the season is on the line.
Then says what he says when asked about it.
We know he cannot hit 450 ft. shots at every at bat but crap, man.... at least seem....interested.
I booed him and am not ashamed in the least. He deserved to hear our frustration in the hopes of snapping out of the funk.
That said....are the same people who find it 'shameful' the same ones calling for MY's head on a stick?
Your last point is dead on. It's funny how some people like to play both sides of the fence.
At the same time, I'm not sure that the ones that want MY out would actually boo him in a game. Anyways...I give you props for your post...at least you put your name on it.
I understand why people booed at that point but still do not agree with booing Hamilton. I am surprised to see that nobody has mentioned his Gibson-esque homerun that should have been the nail in the Cardinals coffin in game 6 last year. It is ridiculously difficult to go to back to back series, and even harder to go to three straight. Any one who adopted the "title or bust" mentality deserves to be booed far more than a player who was written out of baseball lore by some guy named Freese.
I'd say booing has the opposite effect, but who knows
dhillii - I understand what you're getting at w/ your last statement. I personally have not called for MY's head, but I do think there is a difference between critiquing (even bashing) a player on blogs, articles, even radio. But booing your own team , or a player of your team, at a game (to me) is uncalled for. The fact that it was in a playoff game, on national TV, is embarrassing.
Also, ridiculous to think that booing a player will snap them out of their funk. I highly doubt while you were booing, you were thinking "this will surely snap him out of it."
I think it was 47% who booed
Booing is acceptable only for an obvious lack of effort. While Hamilton's "body language" or lack of "game face" may not inspire people, you have absolutely no reason to believe that Hamilton wasn't trying. And don't try to tell me you can "tell" when a player isn't trying....you can't. I remember last post-season a lot of people were all of Josh because he wasn't producing and then it turns out he played the entire time with a torn groin. Oops.
What do you say when you boo and find out things were not what you thought they were? Sorry man. But I was justified because he "deserved to hear our frustration". Really? He "deserved" to? Because I'm sure he was wholly unaware that the fanbase and the entire Rangers organization was frustrated at that point; without your booing he was oblivious but thanks to it, well, now he's aware and can 'snap out of the funk".
That's pathetic excuse-making for ugly, obnoxious behavior.
Crow: you are correct. It was embarrasing. So was the product on the field and the attitude of some players towards it.
Truth be told: what is the difference right now with Josh and CJ and his performance in last year's playoffs/Series? CJ was stellar during the season and was run out of town on a rail and booed heavily (still is).
Mr. Man, I am sorry....after the eyesight issue, this year Josh said there was not anything wrong with him so all i have to go on is his attitude from the last few weeks.
And i think sometimes you can tell when a player isn't into things by pure body language. (ex. Kinsler dropping his head and jogging to first when he pops up)
And as far as 'ugly, obnoxious behavior'.... there is a vast difference between how the Atlanta fans acted the other night, throwing garbage and letting your team know your frustration about how things are going by making noise.
I was less embarrassed by the Rangers Fans, and more by the Rangers Players....
I respect peoples' right to boo when they feel like it. But I don't have to agree with them, and I feel it's within my rights to criticize them if I think their booing unwarranted.
Personally, I hardly ever boo. The only times I might consider it are for, as some others mentioned, an obvious lack of effort. For example, hitting an easy ball and then not moving, or walking to 1st. Letting a ball past you and then not going after it when no one else is backing you up (Brandon Moss did this against us one game, which resulted in the only runs we scored). Offhand I can't think of others, but you often know then when you see them. That's about the only time I'd ever consider booing. Well, that, or a player I strongly disapprove of is being announced, batting, pitching, etc. Guys that disgrace the game or themselves, perhaps. Currently I can't think of anyone that fits the bill here.
But dropping a routine pop-up isn't boo-worthy. Neither is striking out, even if it's an obviously poor at-bat. When those happen, I'm usually yelling, cursing, etc. But that's not the same thing.
I don't know if I was embarrassed, but I was definitely disappointed. Folks are free to do as they want, but I sure have enjoyed the last several seasons and I felt they needed our support when they were down.
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