What is your opinion of the A.J. Pierzynski signing?
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If you REALLY want cargo, throwing in harrys name should get it done easy with his GB rate. I cant see them turning down something like kinsler, harry, buckel.
Yeah that's kind of what I'm saying. I think we could make it happen...and yes we would have to overpay in pitching but Cargo would be a legit Hamilton replacement and then Profar could step in and play 2B. I wouldn't trade Ogando...i think he will be a bad ass starter for us next year...but that's just me.
The problem with Cargo is that he is a much much worse hitter away from Coors Field.
Granted, 316 of those total plate appearances took place in 2008 when he was with the A's, and hitting in Rangers Ballpark is similar to hitting in Coors, so he might not have much of a drop-off when it comes to performance at home. But we'd be trading a player who already struggles with hitting on the road (Kins) plus a great pitching prospect (Perez or Buckel) plus Harrison for a player who would have the same struggles hitting in road games.
If you're just comparing him to Hamilton, it might be a better comparison, as Cargo has a higher career home OPS+ than Hamilton does. However, his career road OPS+ is lower than Hamilton's as well.
If you believe that playing Profar at 2B plus Cargo in LF would generate more war than Kins at 2B plus Perez and Harry next year then it wouldn't be a bad trade. Basically, that's what it comes down to.
Yea, I mean you can debate what type of package is best for the rangers and if the cost is worth the reward, but I think those are they types of packages it would take to get Colorado talking about CarGo.
"If you REALLY want cargo, throwing in harrys name should get it done easy with his GB rate. I cant see them turning down something like kinsler, harry, buckel."
There is zero chance Colorado accepts that deal. An inexpensive superstar in his prime for a 31-year-old second baseman, a middle-of-the-rotation starter and a good pitching prospect? There is no chance that happens. CarGo has an extremely team-friendly deal that runs through 2017 making him one of the most valuable players in baseball.
If Colorado is trying to rebuild by trading CarGo, they wouldn't acquire a 31-year-old second baseman as the centerpiece of a trade.
utb has this very correct.
2013 (age-28): $7.5M2014: $10.5M2015: $16M2016: $17M2017 (age-32): $20M
That's $71M owed running through his most prime years. That's a steal. (a) That's basically exactly the same amount of money Ian Kinsler is owed through that time frame. (b) A hypothetical trade for Gonzalez would include all of Olt Perez Buckel Grimm Odor plus a player to be named later in the Gallo/Brinson/Beras mold. This makes no sense for the Rangers, and further accentuates just how untouchable Carlos Gonzalez is.
Another thing to take into consideration is the motivation other teams have of moving their players. We can't just assume the Rangers can pick and choose who they want to deal with without any repercussions. The Rockies, for example, play in the National League West, which is a fairly winnable division relative to how strong the American League is, and how strong the NL East/Central look to be in future years.
This is a big reason why trading with the Diamondbacks makes so much sense. Remember, they were shopping Justin Upton briefly before the trade deadline before the owner nixed talks, deciding to table them for the offseason. He is anti-Justin Upton, and Upton will be moved during the winter at some point. This is both an obvious and fitting solution to the Elvis Andrus/Jurickson Profar issue we're dealing with.
The short answer is "No." You guys are caught up in numbers again, numbers that don't exist except in your young extrapolating brains. Two youngins' set their perspective leagues on fire this year so yall want to see the Rangers release Pro.... on the league. No, AAA pitching till he is tearing it up.
mmurphf, that's silly. Elvis was a 3.5 WAR players his rookie year at age 21. And Profar is a much better hitter in the minor leagues than Elvis was. There's no reason that Profar can't be a very good major league player next year.
If Profar isn't on the Rangers roster on opening day, it would be extremely difficult for the Rangers to make the playoffs. So absent a disastrous spring training, I'm confident Profar will be in our infield next year.
@Eric, I have heard just the opposite on J Upton, in that he won't be traded. I don't think he is available at all, for all the same reasons you mentioned above. If he's their best player and they finished better than Colorado, they won't be trading him.
And you also state that Elvis is gone once he hits FA, but you have no idea if that is true. You are making black and white statements all over this board and I think you're wrong on most of them.
Elvis is the new face of the franchise and he and Profar should be the double play combo for years to come. You don't trade Elvis as he's coming into his own the same way J Upton doesn't get traded as he's coming into his own.
If Texas isn't going to play Profar at SS then he should be traded. You don't waste a talent who can play a premium position by slotting him in at a non-premium position.
Of course, there is no way that happens. There is no reason to re-sign Elvis to a huge, long-term deal when a cheaper/better replacement is available. It's common sense.
The point here Is that the rangers decided this fate when they extended kinsler. Because of his contract and age hes probably moveable, just not very moveable because, at best, he gets paid just right for his contributions. Unlike elvis who will be a great value for 2 years or Profar who arguably will be a great deal for 6. Profar IS the most valuable trade chip. But hes too valuable to let go IMO.
I think colorado would be intrigued by harry as a TORP in colorado because of his GB rate and the fact that hes had 2 years of sub 3.5 era in the AL. Whether they take much stock in the sabermetrics and think he has overachieved I dont know. But as starving as they are for pitching, I think he would intrigue them. As far as them wanting kinsler i dunno. That was just something someone mentioned. Personally i think theyd be more interested in a Harrison/Perez/Buckel/Murphy type of deal. More pitcher heavy with an immediate replacement in the OF so that they can get another year to find a replacement.
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