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Forum > Rosenthal says Rangers won't fire Wash

Don't fire him, trade him for prospects, like CWS did with Ozzie.

October 6, 2012 at 1:11 AM | Unregistered CommenterakaDrSmack

How ANYONE can defend Ron-Ron after watching his crazy personnel moves this year is beyond me....the fact that he jumped Andrus in KC after the aborted squeeze play went sour, told me ALL i needed
to know about Wash.The fact that he repeatedly thumbed his nose at JD when he brought him good,young players to help rest the position players and give the team a much needed boost during and after the mid season offensive slump,also is very telling.If JD is as smart as we all think he is,surely he can see that no matter the talent that comes through the system,Wash will certainly play whoever he damn well pleases...And I think JD is a VERY smart man,as is Nolan and don't think they will miss the opportunity to remake this team with GOOD young players and a manager who has the ability to maximize the talent he is given....THIS TEAM HAS WON DESPITE RON WASHINGTON !!!

October 6, 2012 at 1:25 AM | Unregistered CommenterPurpleHaze

You can't teach an old dog new tricks. If Wash is back next year, NOTHING will be different. They could cut Young and sign some other veteran utility infielder and somehow he would take 40% of Profar's at-bats. Kinsler will still lead off, Cruz will bat 5th for 160 games and Olt will never play. His results the last three years are great, in a vacuum, but heads have to roll after this collapse.

October 6, 2012 at 1:35 AM | Unregistered CommenterJondar

the roster must be churned - new/young players must be brought in/up to bring the energyand excitement this team seemed to lack near the end of the season - mistakes must be tolerated for a while and games lost because of them while the new players grow into their roles - the long term results are what is most important
Wash should stay, but should be given notice by the front office that status quo is not acceptable - playing any player because of veteran status when younger players of of equal or better tools are available will result in the change of management - that said, if wash does not have instant success with the new orders, he must be given time to allow the players to gel as a team.
give him a chance to see if he can adapt to the new.
that said, his use of holland in a relief role in the last two games smacks of desperation - putting a starter into a high pressure situation not of his creation is misuse of talent. if a starter is required to pitch in releif, he should start an inning not come in to try to quell an uprising - as soon as i saw holland in the game, i knew the game was lost, that this was a move made in desperation - unfortunately, i think the team felt the same way as well ( at least the result seem to justify that conclusion.
yes, wash should be back next year, but only after the front office gives him a set of "marching orders" to follow the day of "you supply the players, i'll play themn however i feel fit"" need to end.
wash could be an important member of the new rangers, but only if he is hel accouldble for building a younger, better team - a system as highly rated as the rangers must be used.

October 6, 2012 at 2:36 AM | Unregistered CommenterLeOgre

Sigh.

What matters most is the final result, the bottom line. How many times did Joe Torre bring in a guy too late? How many times has he put a worse fielding player out there than was available to him?

Nitpick at Wash all you want, he's not going anywhere. People remember managers for their W/L record, not their late inning pinch hitting stats.

Consider how Wash also has handled the egos in his club house. Josh was a disaster for all intents and purposes. CJ Wilson pretty much took baseball for a hobby, not a job. He's dealt with Bradley before as well. Think about how he kept the team focused during the ownership collapse. He developed Elvis quite well, etc.

Give Wash the right tools to build a contender, and he'll manage them pretty well. It wasn't Wash's fault alone we didn't win in October. It was the Rangers' fault.

October 6, 2012 at 8:52 AM | Unregistered CommenterNompton

Nompton. How do you explain too much MY and too little Gentry? Wash cost the team games. Fewer game wins lost the division. This is apparent to all of us who watched MY struggle. In the field and at the plate. MY's WAR is quantifiable. We know it, Wash knows it, but MY played every day except for paternity leave.

The rest of this year's failings were apparent: bad base running, stupid bunts, not enough Gentry.

Wash was good at teaching young players to play baseball. Somehow that is no longer the Rangers.

Wednesday and Friday nights were the cumulation of a great team struggling since June. One can point all day long at 93 wins. That is a nice number, but they needed 94 and had plenty of chances to get 94 and a whole lot more. The manager is supposed to get the most from the team. Wash didn't and he has given me no reason he will adapt next season. Wash bet his career on his "gut" decisions. Time to pay off.

October 6, 2012 at 10:03 AM | Unregistered Commenterprimi timpano

his managing style was cute when the rangers were the underdogs and were new to winning, but his undying loyalty to struggling veterans and distrust of young players will only hurt the team. i can't believe anyone is defending this guy.

October 6, 2012 at 1:09 PM | Unregistered Commenterwingsofjoy

Think losing our #2 and #5 starting pitchers early and the absolute sucking of the bandaid solutions like Oswalt, Dempster, Feldman, an obviously not ready M. Perez (he wasn't exactly dominating in RR when he was called up), and Grimm (calling up a guy from AA is a sure sign of desperation),had more to do with us "only" winning 93 games than anything RW did.

At the trade deadline, ownership said they couldn't add too much more payroll so when Lewis and Feliz went down we ended up only adding guys who were cheap like Dempster and Oswalt instead of at least 1 stud starting pitcher. Result? Last year our 5th-starter (Ogando) went 13-8 with a 3.51 ERA. This year, our 5th-starters Feldman/Oswalt/Perez/Grimm went a combined 10-19 with an ERA of 6 (I used their stats just as starters). We need more starting pitching depth next year: a better long-man/emergency starter in the pen than Feldman, and some of our prospects like Perez/Grimm ACTUALLY CLOSE TO BEING READY and not just getting called up because we didn't have better options.

Not to mention Holland absolutely blowing until late in the season, prob because he lost a ton of fastball velocity from last year (as did Mark Lowe), Adams struggling with injury recently, Ogando slumping a bit, etc.

Soto sucked as an injury replacement for Napoli also. Cubs let him go because he was on the decline and they had a solid C prospect in Castro ready to go. He was hardly the biggest of our problems.

Yes the O was horrible late in the season and it could get worse next year with Hammy and Nap gone, but we need to address the pitching too in a big way.

October 6, 2012 at 2:46 PM | Unregistered CommenterKristen W.

So now the broken roster is to blame for Wash's failures? Yes the injuries hurt and Oswalt was a big fat zero. Dempster not much better. But that doesn't excuse Wash for letting this team become the Wade Phillips Dallas Cowboys. The players have tuned him out and lost their focus and discipline because they know that nothing they could do would result in lost playing time. Horrible baserunning, lackadaisical fielding, godawful approaches at the plate, don't you think Wash has hammered these guys about that this year but they obviously aren't threatened?

Wash and/or Young has to go, end of story. Otherwise get ready for a lot more #Leadership, possibly batting FIFTH again with Hamilton gone.

October 6, 2012 at 3:46 PM | Unregistered CommenterJondar

Kristen, JD came close to getting Greinke but Milwaukee wanted a shortstop. I think JD made the right decision to not trade a top prospect for a two month rental. Dempster cost very little and there were no better pitchers than Dempster available at the trade deadline.

Yes, the Rangers' rotation endured a lot of injuries, but IMO the two elephants in the room are MY and Gentry; MY received an unconscionable amount of playing time and Gentry was fundamentally misused. Subtract MY's negative WAR and extrapolate Gentry's increased WAR attributable to more playing time and the Rangers probably end up with the best record in baseball.

As for AA call ups, this has become the rule. Most of a teams top prospects get called from AA as opposed to AAA.

Soto cost practically nothing and filled an important vacancy. I don't know how much of Yu's improvement to attribute to Soto, but Yu became an ace when Soto arrived. I'm glad to have him.

Education is expensive and the Rangers just finished a lot if very expensive lessons. Whether Wash and the players learn from these lessons remains to be seen. I am not optimistic. The MY lesson became evident in June and Wash mired the team with an untenable status quo management philosophy. Same with his handling of Gentry.

October 6, 2012 at 4:04 PM | Unregistered Commenterprimi timpano

Especially when you've got an opportunity to sign that pitcher, if you so choose, in free agency. Costing you now no prospect at all.

October 6, 2012 at 5:16 PM | Unregistered CommenterGuest