What is your opinion of the A.J. Pierzynski signing?
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Do we still need a right-handed hitter who can play some OF (maybe a little 1B)? Everyone said that was the need last year. Now that Gentry has performed well maybe the need is not as great. Also, we are all hoping against reality that the Face won't be in the #5 hole for us for the rest of the season.
With all that said, do you all think we should go after Carlos Quentin or Josh Willingham and if so do you all think this is something the front office will strongly consider? They each earn about $7 million this year so we'd have to pay about half of that. What prospects might it take to get them? Maybe like a Loux and then mid-tier prospect (total wild a&# guess on my part)?
Anyone have any thoughts on whether a deal like this would make any sense.
SD id weak at 3B and SS. Expect Olt AND Profar. Too much for a career .255 hitter especially when you haven't even placed Napoli in the 5 spot in from of Cruz and drop Young to the 7th spot.
Willingham is a player I like as long as the cost is not too high.
Olt AND Profar for Quentin?
Stop being silly.
especially since he'd be a rental, it would take a mid tier or two prospects to get quentin...maybe one upper tier prospect to get willingham and a mid tier one
San Diego is weak at 3B? Chase Headly has been great this year! I'm not sure what his contract situation is though. I think he may be pretty close to reaching FA.
Sorry Txball I didn't know that you were the opinion checker here. I should have checked with you before I posted. Do you think that SD or any other team is just supposed to roll over and give the Rangers what they want for whatever the Rangers want to give? I'm telling you that if the Rangers show a weakness then teams are going to attempt to exploit them. Should Mike Adams cost the Rangers Erin and Wieland? I don't know but that was the price. SD should ask high to get one of those two if not both due to the fact they are both blocked positionally. If they came away with Olt that would replace Headley at 3B who has a career .744 OPS whom also could be moved back to LF. Yes he is weak! Any GM that trades with the Rangers should make them over pay. The Rangers are trying to make an appearance to 3 straight WS. It's up to Daniel's to be smart not a Rangers fan.
Headly is not weak. He has never had a wRC+ under 100 in his career. His career wRC+ is 111. Give the guy some slack, he plays in Petco Park. And he has been good on defense since 2010. And most importantly, he is in his prime and tearing it up this year. He may be having the best season of any 3B in baseball this year.
Olt and Profar for Quentin isn't silly?
Okay, I'll trade Cruz for Bundy and Machado.
Olt and Profar for Quentin is beyond silly. Regardless of SD's needs, their GM is not dumb enough to ask for one of the best prospects in baseball for a half a year of a slightly above-average OFer.
And Willingham just signed a 3-year deal. With all of the players currently on the Texas roster that need to be locked up, I don't see much value in committing $17+ million to WIllingham for the next three years.
Silly: Lets put this into perspective. Mark Texeira / Ron Mahay for Andrus, Harrison, Saltalamacchia and Jones. According to Baseball America Salty, Andrus and Harrison were 1, 2 & 3 on the organizations top prospect list. Tex was a very good player but he was a rental just the same. If what I am saying is silly then please read the quote from Josh Byrnes:
"If we sell, it will be at very high prices," Byrnes said, according to ESPN.com. "We can keep Headley and Volquez beyond this year. We want to keep Quentin (who can become a free agent after the season). And Street has a mutual option. So I wouldn't be surprised if the prices are higher than people think."
This guy must be a freakin' clown!
You are not reading that in the proper context. Tex was a valuable commodity at that point in time (even though we fleeced the Braves in retrospect). Tex is nowhere near a reasonable comp for Quentin. You're overvaluing Quentin.
In this new era of compensation picks (the lack thereof), no team will be willing to trade prospects for a rental that won't net compensation picks in the following off-season. Also, using Tex as an example for the possible acquisition of Quentin and your assumed costs of Olt and Profar isn't equivalent to being "surprised if the prices are higher than people think" - it's a non starter.
Surely, you have to understand even in a seller's market that your presumption that San Diego's asking price is beyond silly. Not one single team in MLB will offer 2 organizational top 5 prospect talents (especially one the caliber of Profar) for a player of Quentin's ilk.
Again - Olt AND Profar for Quentin is silly and you're grossly overestimating the market value of Quentin even with the stated goal of San Diego's front office to sell at a premium.
Dude, Texiera had 1.5 years left, and he was a far better player than Quentin has ever been, and I don't think any of those players we got in the Tex trade were ranked as one of or the TOP prospect in ALL OF BASEBALL like Profar is. Anybody that asks for Profar or Olt for a mediocre player like Quentin will get laughed out of the room. And if JD made that trade I would lose all respect I have for him.
I believe you guys are not understanding what I am saying. I am not an advocate for trading either one of those two for anyone. I also am not an advocate for trading Andrus, Moreland, or Kinsler as other on this board have suggested. I believe that you have to patient and let opportunities come to you. That said I do believe that this team could be better.
Incidentally, the BA top 100 in 2007 had Salty at 36, Andurs at 65, and Harrison at 90. 2012 BA has Profar at 7, Perez at 31, Olt at 43, Leonys Martin at 79 and Christian Villanueva at 100.
As for Tex I believe that he was overrated a bit due to playing at the Ballpark. I am not arguing or comparing Tex to Quentin. What I am saying is that IF I am a GM I am asking for both and hoping that the discussion nets me either one plus Leonys Martin, Christian Villanueva, or Julio Borbon.
Now if I were to move 2 of those top 5 in a trade especially Profar and Olt it had better be for a game changer that will allow you to let Cruz or Hamilton or both get traded or unsigned. This team CANNOT keep 2 outfielders that hit in the middle of the lineup spend 40 games a year on the DL.
@switch: You forgot Feliz.
And I would likewise be disappointed if we got someone like Quentin at the expense of someone like Profar or Olt. Not nearly good enough, IMHO.
I don't know anyone in the front office, nor do I pretend to know anyone there (as a person or 2 has acted like around here) but I can say with 99.9% certainty that unless Verlander, Felix, or Kershaw become available, Profar will be a Ranger for a few years going forward. There is no doubt in my mind that the Rangers wouldn't trade him for either of these 2 listed in this chat.Don't know what they'll end up doing with Olt, but I feel almost as certain he wouldn't be traded for either of these guys as well, but I suppose for willingham it MIGHT be possible. But then again, why would they need another OF'er? Or does Willingham play 1st base and I simply forgot his position?
"Incidentally, the BA top 100 in 2007 had Salty at 36, Andurs at 65, and Harrison at 90. 2012 BA has Profar at 7, Perez at 31, Olt at 43, Leonys Martin at 79 and Christian Villanueva at 100."
Number one, you are attempting to compare a potential modern-day trade to the Teixeira trade - one of the 3-4 greatest trades in MLB history. That is probably not a good scale to use...not to mention Teix was much better than Quentin, was under control for 1.5 years instead of .5 years, ATL also got a good lefty reliever, and teams losing a top player via free-agency received comp picks.
The Teix trade was singular and is not helpful for discussions relating to potential trade-value.
And even in the Teixeira trade, the best prospect included (according to BA) was Salty at #36. Profar is #7. That is a HUGE difference.
And quoting the San Diego GM is about as useful as quoting a politician during a political race. What would you expect him to say, "We are going to trade our players for crappy prospects because we have no interest in re-signing them..."?
Quentin will probably get traded and I bet you will be amazed at the spare return they get for him.
There is no doubt that the trade landscape will change.
I am NOT comparing the Teix trade to a possible Quentin trade. I am simply pointing to the obvious, teams will make bad trades all the time if they see the players they receive will boost the potential to win.
Personally I don't like Quentin as a player. Again, all I was stating was stating is that teams are going to try to pick the Rangers clean, especially as the Rangers try to save face from last years game six and being touted as the so called best team in baseball tag in 2012.
Some of you guys are acting like I am saying, lets offer Olt and Profar. That is not the case. I'm telling you that based on conversations I have had with a close friend is that teams will always ask high. So the conversation will go something like:
"I need Willingham". "Olt and Profar". "Get serious!" "I need at least one in return plus a choice of Martin or Villenueva."
They basically walk it down until they reach an agreement. The great thing is Texas and Daniel's does not have to do anything.
As far as players I like, I think adding a starting LF with speed and power. Someone like Carlos Gonzales.
Based on ^^^, it's a good time for this thread to end!
No, you said without an amount of certainty that San Diego would ask for Olt and Profar backed up with quotations that didn't really solidify your stance.
We simply said that's silly, ridiculous, beyond silly, etc.
Who is to say they wouldn't ask for them? It certainly didn't stop the Mets from asking for Ron Darling and Walt Terrell for Lee Mazzilli. It didn't stop the White Sox from asking for Sosa, Alvarez and Fletcher for a has been like Harold Baines and Fred Manrique. It didn't stop a trade of Julio Franco by the Philadelphia Phillies with Jay Baller, Manny Trillo, George Vukovich and Jerry Willard to the Cleveland Indians for Von Hayes. These are a hand full from the top of my head.
Bad trade offers and bad trades are apart of the game. Good teams make dumb moves if they think they are one player away. Bad teams make bad trades when they get desperate to not finish in the cellar. It may be very silly for them to ask but I am just saying you shouldn't be surprised. Again I don't think that Sd has any players that fit the Rangers short of Houston Street if Ogando were to be a starter again.
Quentin would fit our needs nicely and would start in our outfield - just not for Olt and Profar. I think it's a fair assumption to say Jon Daniels would hang up the phone if "Profar" was even mentioned.
I would hope that Daniels would. As for Quentin, I would rather stay with Murphy and Gentry. If anything maybe Youkilis. I don't care for him that much but he kind has a knack for clutch hits.
Y'know what? A guy from an Arizona board said it best -
"when Michael Young is your worst hitter, you've got it damn good."
Based on his performance thus far, I am firmly against signing Youkilis right now.
Not sure I agree. Maybe if MY was producing as he had for the last couple of years. But a DH with a .680 OPS is borderline criminal. MY is neck-and-neck with Delmon Young for the worst DH in baseball honor.
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