What is your opinion of the A.J. Pierzynski signing?
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So its not looking well in the realms of grabbing Darvish; the Rangers are not showing much interest in Fielder either. Most reports state that the Rangers are in the mindset of making trades to fill in the gaps they have. So here is a forum to state a trade you'd like to see, how to so it, and how it improves the team. We all to often (even myself....F*** it, ESPECIALLY myself of proposing fantasy baseball or MLB2K trades.... so lets try to stay realistic. As a caveat i do have to say i believe in this team, and I believe they can be competitive in the West, however, unless the Angels have a Boston-esque meltdown we do need to counter with a legitimate rotation pitcher and a first baseman.
I propose 2...
1. Trade for Mat Latos. I like his upside and he's a good groundball pitcher. He brings more heat than Harrison and has seemed to cleaned up his attittude issues. The padres say they won't trade him, but lets face it, theyre going to be awful, he's the best chip they have to improve that team.
I trade, Ramirez, Feldman, Lowe, and cash. We still keep our big prospects
Trade with Cincy for Alonso. He's young, i like he swing better than moreland, and I think he's got more upside. in a hitters park like RBPiA i think this kid becomes a star.
Trade Moreland, Murphy, Koji, and cash
2. Probably the best bet. We make a deal with the White Sox for Danks and Konerko. Danks is on par with CJ in my opinion maybe better if you discount last year as a fluke. Konerko will drop bombs all over RBPiA... he always does. I know he's older... but he's still good and it gives us time to prep Olt for 1B duties.
Trade, Ramirez, Moreland, Harrison(as much as i hate too), Murphy, Koji
We still keep Perez, Olt, Profar... CHW gets Ramirez who is closer to MLB ready in some experts opinions, Moreland can play RF, DH, or 1B, Murphy is an upgrade in LF over Pierre, Harrison gives them a good pitcher for thieir park who could become a GREAT pitcher for their park, and Koji will help with the loss of Thorton.
Just an idea or two... have fun
I'm not opposed to either of these trades. I still hesitate to trade Moreland, especially for a player who might have 2 years left in Konerko. I think trading Perez and/or Profar should be taken off the table unless it is for a true ace. And there are only a few of those in the league. Otherwise, the players that you mentioned could be expendable.
I still think you'll see us trade for a bullpen piece and go into the season as is. If we need to trade, we can do so in June or July when we see what we have with our young pitching staff.
I don't think Danks and Konerko are worth all those guys. Likle Rossi I will just wait before I give up all that.
I don't trade a soul right now. If we aren't going to spend cash to improve then I want to see these guys develop. If we can hang on til the trade deadline, that's when I make a move if we need it. The FO keeps preaching patience, well I want them to prove it now.
Absolutley agree that Matt Latos should be number one target on the trade market, it will however take perez, olt, and ramirez perhaps which i have no problem with because perez isn't the can't miss prospect we once thought.
Anyone else with any ideas? Put your JD hat on, there's something potentially big out there we could be missing.
Here's another potential deal:
We make a deal with Baltimore for Zach Britton and Mark Reynolds. Britton looked real good the times we played him. granted i'm still the one person in this universe who believe matusz might be worth a shot. Now Reynolds can hit and is a great defender. Now Camden Yards is a tough place to hit and Reynolds still almost hit 40 HRs. RBPiA???.... i could see huge numbers. Technically we could screw the pitcher and try to work a deal for reynolds, Call me stupid, but Reynolds could probably put up Fielder-lite numbers. Most project Moreland to max at 20-25 HR... this could be a major upgrade.
Help me out guys i'm dying here. Granted a Darvish announcement on tuesday could cure the blues...
I agree with P1 here. The FO should stand pat for now and see what's available come the deadline.I woud mutch rather see a package of players like those listed above be used to acquire someone like Greinke.
deadline.... i want hamels!
Jair jurrjens is someone worth having a look at. He is only 25 I believe and it is at least worth inquiring what the cost would be. I would also be extremely interested in hamels but I don't believe the phillies will be inclined to move him. I like mat latos but not enough to give up a haul of what I think they would want.
I like the idea of trading for Mat Latos, but it will take more than just Ramirez, Feldman, Lowe, and cash to get him. He is a guy who will throw you 200+ innings if he can stay healthy, and a guy who will give you an ace or number 2 type ERA, keeping you in every ballgame. The asking price for Alonso is said to be sky high and that the A's asked for him in the Gio Gonzalez trade and the Reds said no, which tells me they covet him more than for just Moreland, Murphy, Koji, and cash. While I like the idea of Danks and Konerko, I think the White Sox see themselves competing in a year or two. I don't see this rebuilding period as a 4-5 year window, so with that said I think Konerko retires a White Sox.
1. Trade for SP Matt Garza (Ramirez, Feldman, Skole, lower level prospect). I think the asking price will be much lower on Garza than on Gonzalez. I love this guys confidence and gutsiness. He is said to be a hot head, but hey so was Milton Bradley. This clubhouse does wonders for those type of guys. He has top of the rotation stuff.
2. Trade for RP Brandon League or RP Bobby Parnel (Scheppers, Alfaro). I would prefer League, he has had success against the AL West and is a very good pitcher with a very live arm. However, Parnell lives off his fastball that at times touches 100 mph, he had 6 blown saves last year in 12 chances. Really the only reason I take League over Parnell is because he has had success as a closer and that a huge mental advantage.
3. Trade for 1B Michael Morse (Ross, Buckel, Moreland, E. Beltre.). This man is huge. He has a very good swing. His power is just amazing to see. I know this is probably the longest shot of them all seeing as to how close the Nats are and the breakout year Morse just had, but his bat would be great at the ballpark. He reminds me a lot of Mike Napoli.
Perez has not demonstrated future Ace the past two seasons at AA/AAA level, but this is hardly rare look no further then what Gio, Johan and Roy did at the same age or same level. That said, leave the top echelon level prospect and a TORP level in trades alone. Look more at great arm but disappoints currently, like Liriano, Santana, or Volquez. Or better, sign Oswalt or Jackson. But leave the blockbuster trade for a top pitcher alone, way too costly.
Nelson Cruz, Matt Harrison and Torrealba for Tim Lincecum and Nate Schierholtz.THEN you go out and overspend on FIelder.
Just saying, if you really want TORP its gonna hurt real bad to get it...
I think the guys who would really help the team & be a significant upgrade over what they already have are all pretty much untouchable. That leaves us with the likes of Garza, Danks, and Jackson - maybe Gio - but those guys are only adding depth, not quality.
So yeah, I would do nothing at this stage, other than get Feliz ready to start, sign a couple of lefties, and work like mad on developing Perez, Ramirez and Olt. The best TORP is the one in your own system - maybe we already have that guy sitting there.
Latos, Latos, and Latos.........He has ace stuff, young, and can pitch alot of innings.
Not sure what the fascination with Latos is. Latos has only looked good because Petco is probably THE most pitcher-friendly park in all of baseball. Latos' stats away from Petco are mediocre. He doesn't throw that hard, and he's hardly a groundball pitcher (his career GB:FB is only 1.03).
Why give up prospects for a back-of-the-rotation guy who's not any better than anyone we currently have? It'd be a waste.
CIN will only trade Alonso if they get a TORP in return. We aren't in a position to trade any of our pitchers.
Yes I agree with WWJDD, I think all these trades possibilities listed may be good trades but does anyone of them put us over the top. Unless its a bonified ace do not make a trade simply to make a trade. We have a very good team, and who knows what Feliz is going to do this year in the rotation, He could very well be your ace with Holland right behind him, Harrison has great stuff, and then there is Ogando. Four very good arms with nothing but upside, and they are controllable for many years and at very good salaries. Anyone you trade for is going to cost you, good prospects and more salary. With the extensions that are needed for our core group, I do not make a trade just yet, I go into the season with the team we have and make a trade at the dead line for the peace needed to make another run at the WS title. At that time we will know what this team is, do we need a starter, do we need a power bat, bench player whatever. You will then have the money and prospects available to obtain what you need.
Why go crazy?
You basically return the same team that was one strike away from a world series title. The only person you lost was CJ. But this forum was apoplectic about how Feliz should be in the starting rotation, the team is wasting his talent, blah, blah, blah. Well now he's there. Most here believed that's the right move, now we will see. Nathan takes his spot.
I expect Andrus, Moreland & Murphy to have better years. I think some combination of the Martin, Borbon & Gentry to be just fine in center. Find a utility middle infielder and you're almost ready.
Alonso (and Volquez and others) was just traded from CIN to San Diego Latos...
Did NOT see that coming...
Whoops, that's "to San Diego for Latos."
It's like I got a f***ED UP shining last night. Wtf! FO's inability to make moves that are there is pudding me off. First Cahill now Lagos. Fml......
As it stands, I'd be inclined to agree. However, I think Jon got us here by adhering to a set of ideals and principles. Now, if the organization did not feel like C.J. was worth pursuing? Then I accept that. Hell, I actually agree with them. Apparently they feel that it just might be "addition by subtraction". I personally am content to roll "as is". I think a bad financial decision just to make a move, could cripple this franchise from making "the right move" when the opportunity presents itself. Roll as is. If we are in the mix in August? Make a move for the right, soon to be FA pitcher and / or bat to put us over the top.
(From a previous post)
How about Tommy Hanson for Cruz, M. Olt, and Ramirez? Cruz would give them the power bat they're said to be looking for while fitting in their limited budget and Olt would give them an eventual replacement for Chipper Jones while freeing them up to keep Prado. Meanwhile Hanson would be at the very least a solid 2 with a decent chance to continue developing into a TORP who doesn't reach free agency until 2015.
Cin Reds had the same fascination as i did about Latos........for some reason they think he's a top of the rotation starter.......
Ryan - That is one hell of a young pitcher, however, I can't include Olt in any deal. I foresee Olt being up in 2013 or so, being used in several roles. When Young's contract expires, Beltre may well prove to be injury plagued and can take the DH spot. Olt is a cornerstone to continue to build upon. You wanna trade the other two and Mendonca? Okay. not sure what they would want. Surely more.
Assuming Moreland is helathy, we can always just grab a utility IF and ride what we have, then reassess come trading deadline. Assuming Moreland has just an average year, the fact that he's platooning means we're getting good production at 1b, and right now, I think Moreland is a potential breakout player at the position player position.
This is a VERY VERY GOOD team, CF isn't our strength, but Gentry was okay with the bat, fantastic on the bases, and very good with the glove, so we can wait on Martin if we have to. And we have possibly 4 starters that have the potential to be #1 guys. It could be argued Dutch has been a #1 since the AS break. Ogando is a decent off-speed pitch away from being dominant, and I think getting Feliz on a regular every 5th day routine will gove him the time to work on his secondary pitches, where at times, he's shown flashes of brilliance, plus he's hot the Velanderesque fastball, and then super-fastball.
When I look at the league as a whole, we're maybe the most balanced team and stand a good shot at the title. Every other really good team tends to have maybe one element that is dominant, but they're weak at some other spot, as in Philly with their aging position players.
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