What is your opinion of the A.J. Pierzynski signing?
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The only reason I think the Rangers didnt go hard after CJ is because they must think they are the favorites to land Darvish and if thats the case I wouldnt have a problem with.
Im not panicking just because the Angels made two major acquasitions. I trust in Daniels and upper management. They have options remaining as far as acquiring an impact player or two. They have the money, players and prospect to make a major acquisition.
If they want to build a dinasty they must start with acquiring an Ace caliber pitcher not next year but now or by the trade deadline in the summer.
There are only 3 starters (not including Verlander, Halladay, Lincecum, Cain) I would give at least 3 of my top 10 prospects. And those would be Price, Kershaw and Shields in no particular order.
I think they would consider this kind of offer: Martin Perez, Tanner Scheppers, Engel Beltre, Scott Feldman and Mitch Moreland for one of those pitchers.
In my opinion the key is to get Darvish pay bid around $40M sign him to a 4yr/$70M contract with 2 vesting year options around $20M/yr. Then make a run for David Price (3.7 WAR) or Kershaw (7 WAR) although they are almost untouchable. Shields (6.1 WAR) is more likely available and his friendly contract $7M this year and $9M and $12M club options remaining, makes him an atractive option.
Darvish and Shields would bring more value than Fielder (5.2 WAR) and Shields...and it would take less money to get Darvish. The safer way would be to sign Oswalt to like a $10M incentive laden contract with vesting options...and we would still be in line to acquire an Ace down the line when ever he comes available.
Lets see how this month turns out...I have a feeling we get Darvish and if we dont, there are still arms available. As long as Darvish isnt going to the Angels we are still right there in the top of the league.
Fielder should be 5th in the Rangers "to get list" of players available...behind Darvish, Shields, Gonzalez, and Garza.
Nobody else you mentioned even belongs on the same planet as Kershaw. It would take a package that puts the Teixeira haul to shame to get him - twice what you proposed - and I would do it. He is a left handed Verlander that is several years younger and has arrived now. He just won the NL Cy Young...he is from Highland Park...the list just goes on about the reasons he would be the ultimate perfect ace here in Arlington. I would hand the Dodgers a blank check by giving them their choice of at least our top six prospects - maybe even up to eight - PLUS their choice of either Dutch or Harry. That would get their attention, untouchable or not, and just might get it done. If ever there was a time and a player to nuke the farm system for (which is definataly ripe for nuking), Kershaw is that player and now is the time. Then go throw a ton of our owners' cash at Darvish and Fielder and go win a few World Series.
Only if ck signs 10 yr 275 ext. Lc
I would rather have Shields or Price than give up what it would take to get Kershaw and Darvish is a question mark. you neve know what he's going to be until he gets here. One name you haven't talked about that I think we could get is King Felix out of seattle. I think he is a stud that can be had!
Dodgers will not trade Kershaw. No way, now how.
Joe - Look at King Felix's career stats in Arlington...not exactly studly. Felix sucks here. Although you make a good point about the lesser cost in prospects to get someone like Shields (Price would command a price - no pun intended - similar to Kershaw but is not half the pitcher). If Nolan nixes a farm-nuking deal for Kershaw, then I would love to get Shields. He had a spectacular rebound year in 2011 and is a ground ball machine with plus strikeout numbers. I can dream of Kershaw, but I would definately take Shields.
any talks with LA about Kershaw definetly start w/ Profar..but i'd go and offer Andrus if Profar is advanced defensively as they say. Elvis coming up to arb yrs and w/ Boras as agent he might be wanting an almost Jeter like deal when he hits FA.. then throw in Perez , Scheppers and and Olt as well he has no position here if they do sign Fielder.. Get the ACE the team needs
I would not give up that package for Shields. The top pitcher on that list is Kershaw and the Dodgers won't trade him. I don't think Tampa would trade Price this year either. So the real question is who would you pick Shields or Darvish...I go Darvish. It won't cost prospects and you have a chance to hit gold here.
I don't understand the love for Shields, who we will look back on 5 years from now and say "Wow, 2011 was really a major career year". I mean he's good, but not on the level of any of the guys you mentioned.
Taking every aspect: cost in prospects, cost itself, or cost in MLB level players ( Harrison or Holland ) all are prohibitive except Oswalt as The Rangers ACE. Kershaw, Price, King Felix is but a an unreal dream. Darvish will prove too costly but we will know come Wednesday or just a day or two later. Unlikely that the Rangers will even win the bid, the Rangers by structure are just too conservative to over pay. Shields is not an Ace and therefore not a major upgrade. Better to gamble on the health of JJ or Santana, and either will prove too expensive to go for the risk. So its back to the Ace or one time Ace, Roy Oswalt, who other prognosticators had slotted with the Rangers as ultimate destination. Signing Oswalt would cost probably 3/30-40 range, half the total pay out of CJ. This would allow allocation of salary funds to in-house longer term needed extensions. So in the end, unless for some reason E. Jackson, great arm but not an Ace makes more sense ( and who says you need an Ace if you have a ballanced staff of 15+ game winners Oswalt is the choice, but do not wait too long or he also will not be available. Recall, before Lee was traded for, Oswalt was the Rangers target in July 2010, and he way out-performed Lee down the stretch that season, even if it was a different league. So hope #1 is by some miracle, the Rangers out bid the Blue Jays, Angels ( now a deep pockets West Coast team and may even be #1 choice to win the bid), Yankees, RedSox, Nats, or always there mystery team. #2 Oswalt or Jackson.
I do not think Oswalt is an ace anymore. I doubt he'd even be the best pitcher on our staff. I wouldn't be interested in him.
Like many of you guys, I would give a whole hell of a lot for Kershaw, but I seriously doubt the Dodgers will trade him. Other than Kershaw, though, the pitcher I'd want most is the freak. But I'm pretty sure he's off-limits too, as evidenced by the Giants' trading Jonathan Sanchez.
Since Rosenthal claims the Rangers do not have the cash to do much of anything, I guess all this speculation is old and tired now.
This is not new news, a report more than a month ago broke down each teams spending capacity and the Rangers were way down the list. A team at the top of the list as yet to make a big splash is Toronto followed by Miami and. Washington. Miami has played its hand, so look towards those other two to end up with Darvish and Fielder. A big trade for a top pitcher that cripples the future for minimal gain over the current 5 is likewise a big mistake. And Daniels has had his share already. So it seems to always get back to Jackson and Oswalt and they have already let one excellent pick up slip to the Pirates, Bedard. He was signed for 4.5 mil and over the course of his career when healthy has been a higher rated starter then CJ and may be going forward.Washington
Why give up prospects for any guy who will cost you tens of millions, when you can just get Darvish with no loss of prospects while he costs a lesser salary than the others proposed?
For those who want another Lefty with proven performance, but without a cost of prospects and not too much investment? How does the now available Joe Saunders treat you? I'd take a look.
I just read that Ariz is going to bring Saunders back.
They have an interest in doing so, but wanted to avoid the potential arbitration increase, thus he was non-tendered and is a free agent, fielding all offers.
And keep in mind that he is a LH ground ball pitcher, who would have a stellar defense behind him. Not lobbying that we do it, just saying it is worth thinking about.
Additionally, another LHP for the BP is available in Hong-Chih Kuo. Last year was not great, but played for the Dodgers. His SO/IP is impressive, his ERA is usually low (2008-2010), and he was an All-Star in 2010. Just something else to chew on.
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