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Now that Feliz is officially in line for the rotation, could the Rangers use Harrison as a headlining piece to a deal for a starter? There are a few questions baked in to this. (1) Do other teams see Harrison as a young lefty who throws in the mid 90s, just had a breakout year, and is cheap and under team control for a few years, or do they see this past year as a career year and thus don't really see him as a headliner of a deal? (2) Which of the above do the Rangers see him as, and thus do they want to trade him or do they think they have a solid rotation guy who is only going to get better and is cheap? The last question I am thinking about is what he could yield in a trade, along with a few other prospects of course.
I could be way off on this (and I'm sure you all will point it out if I am), but could Harrison and Olt get us Cahill? If so, would you all do that deal? I think I would.Would Harrison, Olt, and something else (L. Garcia, Borbon, Scheppers, De los Santos) get us Hamels or Shields? if so, would you all do those deals? I think I would.As I type thos maybe Perez would have to be a part of any deal for Hamels which would probably change my mind on whether to do that.
I guess this shows that I think Harrison's year was a career year and his value will never be higher, but maybe I'm wrong and he's just getting started and this was more of a breakout year. I'd be interested to hear other people's thoughts on Harrison and whether his value is greater as a part of the staff or as a trade piece now. Apologies for the long post.
I think it was a breakout year. I also think, due to RBiA, groundball pitchers like Matt are more valuable to the Rangers in uniform than as trade bait. I also think you're overestimating his trade value. That said, I would easily deal him with Olt and another prospect for Cole Hamels. But I think they would want Holland instead. I think most TORP deals will require Holland.
I don't trade a future TORP (Holland) as well as other key pieces like Olt, for a current TORP. I sit pat with who and what we have, and set my sights on Darvish. This line-up is formidable as it is. Olt can make the transition to 1st, if Mitch fails to come thru. Olt can play 3rd when, not if, Beltre goes down again. The flexibility this team has and could have, is ridiculously sick (in a good way).
I'm all about trying to get Olt to learn 1st base. It's pretty clear that the kid has immense potential, and it looks like the Rangers are going to try to give him every chance to realize it. If the kid had the skillset to play a corner outfield position, I'd even give him a shot there and try to flip Nelly or (gulp) Josh for prospects before they hit FA.
Harry, Dutch, Ogando, and Feliz should just about all be untouchable in trades for TORPs. There are 4 guys right there that can give us a rotation as daunting as Oakland's was a couple years ago with all of the guys virtually unheard of and under team control for just about a decade seemingly while making jack squat compared to the high dollar names. Think about what we can do with that 16-18MM per year that we could be feeding CJ.... That's a good right handed bat, a couple bullpen arms, and at the very least a serviceable utility infielder that can handle a bat. It all hinges on whether the young guns can replicate what they did last year and if Feliz to the rotation was a good move. It's looking good so far. Remember, Feliz was a hoss in ST as a starter last year.
Olt has been discussed in a corner OF spot, as well as 1st. I think he could make the transition to either, preferably both, i.g. added flexibility. I agree, Nat, that we have a rotation stacked with typical mid-rotation guys. When, not if, Holland takes the next step, as well as others, we get continually better. Spend the money on Darvish and we are unstoppable for years. I love Boom-Stick Cruz. He is likely to be relegated to a DH role soon. His HS, quad, and groin injuries are frustrating. Do I want to move him? No. I want to extend Josh ASAP. I love Michael, but he is no DH. I think Mike feels as though he is still an everyday player. Caveat? He cannot be here. Will he accept a bench role? No. Mike will likely be moved, and not for much. And we'll probably eat part of his salary. This is the part of this business I do not like, but it is much like life...
I don't trade a future TORP (Holland)
Quite an assertion lol!
Anyways, @ the OP, I don't get what you are saying. Trade Harrison and a top prospect because Harrison's spot in the rotation has (assumedly) been taken by a guy we already have.... For another guy who will need a spot in the rotation? You still have the problem of too many guys for a 5 man rotation. And i highly doubt Hamels is on the table. Shields I could see be traded to someone, not Hamels.
There is always long relief for those who don't make the rotation, Key. And I will make this speculation / prediction; you may just be surprised in Surprise, when one of the other 40 man / invitees earn their way into this staff.
Ramirez, Perez, De los Santos, Font, etc. And Matt West, who I have always liked, will be a stud out of the BP here sooner than later. And he can hit too.
To further my previous point, other than his arm, I think Cruz is a liability in RF, i.e. see Game 6.
Additionally, I do not like Selig's idea of adding more WC teams. I think it waters down the game, IMHO.
There seems to be the tendency to overrate other pitchers, especially if they are solid, and overlook a talent, like Harrison or Holland, lefty starters that throw over 95 throughout a game are rare. DO NOT WASTE THEM. The Rangers so far have shown no panic. Go after CJ OR AND YU if the price is right= <100mm for minimum 6 years in total cost.Pick up OSWALT in a one year deal, better replacement for CJ, try BEDARD. BUT DO NOT GO FOR THE GARZAS, GRIENKES, JURRJENS,CAHILLS THAT cost way to much in talent. STAY THE COURSE, it has already led to 2 BIG SHOWS. Even let CJ walk for 2 #1s and outbid all on DARVISH or if fail there, OSWALT OR BEDARD, both once TORPS, with the ability to do ir one more year.
Based on what he did in the fall league the year and, I wouldn't be surprised if he contended for a rotation spot this spring.
I think you're seriously undervaluing Harry as a player. Harry is 25 and threw 185 innings with a 3.39 ERA, throwing half his games in a hittter's paradise, and trend wise, his K rate went way up and his walk rate dipped. And, he gets a ton of GIDPs. In other words, extremely good production for 25, and the trends are positive.
It's a real easy tendency on a team that you follow to undervalue young pitchers because you're memory of his rougher uglier early periods are still very fresh. As compared to a young hitter, who's struggles can be overshadowed if the rest of the team is hitting, When a pitcher struggles, it's real fricking ugly because he's front and center, and can lose the game all on his own.
In other words, if we let Harry go, we better be getting a dead certain King Felix like TORP, not a Cahill.
After Nathan, sign Darvish (assuming he's posted).Let CJ walk. Get 2 #1 picks while only sacrificing money.
Why would you trade Harry for a #2-3? Even w/out Darvish, one could argue we already have 3-4 of those. Keep the prospects, draft picks and grow the farm.
Darvish, Holland, Colbra, Ogando, Harrison, Feliz, Feldman
That's an abundance of SP that any team would be envious of.
I don't want to trade Harrison, but it'll be interesting to see what Gio Gonzalez fetches for the A's to gauge what we could get for Harrison. Harrison would naturally bring in return a lesser package than will Gonzalez due to a shorter track record and slightly less upside, but both guys are 25-26 and under team control for a few more years. OAK is talking to FLO and I wonder what FLO will give up for Gio. I imagine part of the package going OAK's way will be 3B prospect Matt Dominguez who FLO seems to have soured on.
I also caution you to make any knee-jerk trades without seeing what a rejuvenated confident Feldman looks like in ST. The dude was coming on strong at the end of the year and playoffs. That could make things extremely interesting if he's back to his old self.
I likewise am intrigued to see if 2012 Feldman will in any way resemble his past greatness. Based on his performance since returning this year, I don't think he's done yet.
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