What is your opinion of the A.J. Pierzynski signing?
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Does Feliz return to the closer role for another year? Or is it time to see if he can make it in the rotation? And, if we assume the Rangers move him into the rotation, who closes for us?
Is it Adams, the closer-in-waiting behind Bell in San Diego and Feliz here? He had a few save opportunities since arriving in the middle of the season, and I know he made and blew at least one of each. Can't remember how many, though.
Is it one of our other pitchers that may or may not make the rotation? Perhaps Ogando, who's capable of throwing immense heat and occasional change-ups and breaking balls, not entirely unlike Feliz? Even though he already spent a year as a starter?
Do we try and sign any of the following:- Heath Bell (how interesting would that be?)- Ryan Madson (who the Phillies didn't want - why is that, anyway?)- K-Rod (who got "stuck" in a set-up role behind John "I'm in the 21st century, but my mustache is stuck in 1985" Axford, after the Brewers acquired him this summer)- Are there any other FA pitchers that are or could be closers? Nothing leaps to mind here.
Do we try and trade for one? I heard the A's took some calls on Andrew Bailey this summer. I'm sure there are some others to be had by trade, but particulars of who's available and for how long escape me.
Let's go to the phones. If you like, tell us your first, second, third, whatever preferences. Try to be at least somewhat realistic. Ready, go.
Matt Capps, Jonathon Broxton, and Joe Nathan might be some 'buy low' candidates that fit JD's profile. The Rockies are rumored to be listening to offers for Huston Street but he wouldn't come cheap and is due about $8M next year.
I'm of the mind to see what happens in the starting pitcher FA market and then roll our leftover pieces back to the bullpen. With Adams, Uehara, and one of Feliz/Ogando likely back in the bullpen I don't see much sense in spending big for a closer until it proves to be a need.
1st- Joe Nathan, Im taking a flyer on this guy. Was once regarded the best closer in baseball behind Mariano Rivera, and he's coming off Tommy John, and everyone knows a pitchers best year after TJ is his 2nd year removed from it.
2nd- Ryan Madson. This guy is a good pitcher. His stuff, well it's starter type stuff. His change up is great and he is consistent with keeping the ball down and that works awfully well here in Arlington.
3rd- Francisco Rodriguez- The guy is expecting big money. So I guess if I had to pick a 3rd guy it'd be him because I do believe behind Nathan and Madson his stuff is the next best thing. Great pitcher, nasty slider, and change up, and still a very good fastball. Only problem is, he won't come cheap.
NEFTI NEEDS TO GO TO THE ROTATION! Which will keep Alexi in the 7th inning role, which we need him there for, because our bullpen won't be near as strong in the inning before Ogando.
Feliz needs to start. You have to KNOW what you have in him, and soon enough to sign him long term. My Feliz nightmare is he closes 2 more years, moves to the rotation, has a good-not-great year, follows that up by becoming an Ace, and then walks as a Free Agent. In other words, we pull a CJ with him- we figure out what we've got too late to sign him to an extension.
Joe Nathan is the option I'm all over.
The more I think about it, the more I want to see Feliz in the rotation too. Don't know what his ceiling is, and we won't as long as he closes. If we don't land C.J. or Darvish this year, perhaps we do what we did last year...roll with what we got and see how far that takes us.
Nathan sounds intriguing. I'll look into him more. I'm sure J.D. is already, good GM that he is.
Not often but in the Rangers scenarios, who closes is dependent on what free agent starter(s) is (are) signed with Plan A,B,C,D: CJ,Darvish,Oswalt,Jackson or even Bedard. If A and/or B and/or C are successful than Feliz. If not Then Adams,Lowe, Nathan an excellent FA to sign even if not closer, but more likely which ever pitcher in Spring Training does not come up with the best 3rd and 4th pitch slow stuff between Neftali and Alexi. Best bet to close still is Neftali.
I don't understand wanting to put Feliz in the rotation AND taking Ogando out. We saw half a season of great stuff from Ogando last year, I think as long as we build his endurance he can be a great starter, and unlike Feliz, Ogando has wanted that all along. I believe putting him back in the bullpen is a step backward with him, I say leave him where he is, and see if he improves upon last year. Then we also put Feliz in the rotation to see what we have there, and if he is as good as Ogando last year at least for most of the year, and I think he will be, we have the makings of 2 or 3 #1's or aces in Feliz, Ogando and Holland, and we have them while they are young and cheap to anchor our rotation for years. Then we have Harrison and Lewis to round out the back end.
Yes, that may leave us with a bullpen situation like last years if we don't get another pitcher or 2 for the pen, but if I'm not mistaken we made it to the WS and damn near won last season. We can trade for a bullpen arm or 2 just like last season, which will cost us much less than trading for another #3 pitcher in Danks or some of the other people I have heard suggested.
Long story short, leave Ogando where he is and hope he improves as well as moving Feliz into the rotation, and if we are lucky, we might just have one of the best young rotations in the MLB for years to come. I think there is way too much upside to these 2 young pitchers along with Holland to let any of them waste some of their potential in the BP.
Feliz should go to the rotation as Wilson is a gone for sure, no way the Rangers will pay his crazy asking price of 6 for $120m. For that money we can sign a closers: Such as Francisco Cordero who only trails Super Mario in saves amongst active players. We could also take a flyer on Joe Nathan and hope he returns to form. Or would you rather leave Feliz as closer, put Feldman in the rotation and drop $22.5m in Fielders lap? 2B =KinslerDH=YoungLF=Hamilton3B=Beltre1B=FielderC= NapoliRF-CruzCF=Gentry/MartinSS=Andrus
I don't really care. i don't think i have ever expressed my opinion on closer before on here, but I think the whole concept is wrong. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=caple/080805
^ That link pretty much sums it up. The thing is, if you have a 1-3 run lead with 3 outs to go, you are going to have a great chance of winning the game no matter who goes out there to pitch. Since 1901 the team leading by 1 run still win about 85% of the tme. Every year. Even after "closers" came into existence. About 95% for 2 & 3 run leads.
So why use your best pitcher in that situaton? And is it really a save when teams have an 85% chance of winning the game? I say that the best relief pitchers should be used when there are close games ganes around the 7th inning. Brining them in when the win is REALLY in trouble! You have about a 50% chance of winning a tie game in the seventh, so bring in your best reliever for a couple innings!
Thats just me though.
One name to keep on the radar - Huston Street. He's expensive, but he's a Texas kid and apparently Col is shopping him. They could keep Adams in setup role & backup closer, and move Feliz to rotation to join Ogando. If Texas just takes on his salary, they can probably get him for minimum prospect damage.
Did you even watch the World Series? That's why we need a proven closer, for the 00.7% of the time when you blow leads when trying to close out the World Series.
After Hotstove today it has become clear who will not be the closer and it goes back to Game 6. With Neftali's emotional break down and inability to make what one could say " A stiff UPperlip" and shut down the Cards in the 10th. Wash decided and knew then, next year he is a starter. Feliz will not be put under so much pressure for a foreseeable future. But with so much talent and future, Feliz is a major piece of the 2012 team, and starting is in many ways less stressing. If Darvish is on the team in 2012, he is much more likely to be the closer than Neftali. A concept that really has not been discussed. Where should Yu fit on the team. He has not been a closer, but that does not mean he ca not be a major success. This makes Nathan, Cordero and his Return, Broxton, or Lidge is more likely to be signed and thus closing next season.
Next years closer will be CJ Wilson.... Lol jk
I like Madson or K-Rod.
Read that the new CBA could push Madson out of Type A status, could be worth a look if that's the case
If the decision is made to move Feliz into the rotation for 2012, I think JD does everything he can to bring in a non-top-tier closer candidate to compete with Adams. By this I think Madson and Bell are off the table (Bell seems to be vastly overrated anyway). I would love to get Joe Nathan in here. If the organization was willing to gamble on Brandon Webb, well, Nathan is a sure thing by comparison.
I'd keep Ogando as a rotation candidate as well, and I think he will earn a spot in the spring. We can have a strong bullpen even with both Ogando and Feliz in the rotation.
Another thing I am curious about is what will happen if Feliz goes into the spring as a starter, but doesn't make the rotation (say its Lewis, Ogando, Holland, Harrison, and Feldman). Do the Rangers option him to AAA to start there, or throw him back in the bullpen? Can't wait for spring.
Feliz to the rotation, Adams as the closer. I also like Oswalt as a top of the rotation, exoerienced arm in which case leave Feliz in the bullpen. Pujols or Fielder added to our already potent lineup would also make me smile!
Because of one game? A game where our regular closer and another relief pitch bot blew one run leads?
The role doesn't even need to exist. thats what I'm saying. You need a good bullpen, don't get me wrong. Statistically speaking, you don't need a good "closer" any more than you need a good anything in the bullpen.
I also like Oswalt as a top of the rotation, exoerienced arm...
Oswalt is way past his prime at this point. Experienced? Yes. Top of the rotation? I seriously doubt it.
Pujols or Fielder added to our already potent lineup would also make me smile!
Show me a team that wouldn't want one of them at 1B if money weren't an issue. There are probably 3 or fewer such teams.
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