What is your opinion of the A.J. Pierzynski signing?
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Okay here's the question. Profar is considered by many to be a top ten prospect and has, many times, been called the best prospect in baseball not named Harper. With the volatility of prospect being what it is would it make more fiscal sense to trade Profar when his stock is at its peak for a true ace? As there are no ace's available on the FA market and I'm not thrilled with going after an unproven Japanese pitcher. I'm comfortable with elvis as our starter. His OBP has increased all three years and he had a 4.5 WAR last year. Plus on the off-chance Elvis stalls we'll still have Sardinas with the potential to become a true starter.
Again, WAR is flawed. Damon and Moreland had similar #'s last year, but WAR was so skewed. I said Harper was the real deal, and some of the same buffoons said he was a flash in the pan. Stick with Profar. You have Beltre for "supposedly" several more years. What if he continues to be hurt year after year? What if Olt and Villanueva continue to progress? Many of you fail to see the BIG picture.
I think we're missing each other. The only way I think you trade Profar is for a Hernandez or Kershaw type. Don't get me wrong. Anytime I hear switch-hitting perennial all-star shortstop I get excited. And heck if he's doing this at this age that means you can't really put a limit on him. So clearly you don't give him up unless you're talking a franchise changing true number 1.
Well, why give up so many key talent chips, when you can have a "franchise changing true number 1" in Darvish for a decade at no loss in talent? And anyone who passes on Cahill is a fool too.
I'm not sure if Darvish is a true number one though. That's the question. If Daniels feels he is I'm sure he'll go get him and I'll trust his judgement but getting it done in Japan means almost nothing to me anymore.
The real question here is would you pay fifty million dollars to negotiate with a minor leaguer?
Brady - I totally see where you are coming from. BUT, there were times people bought into a phenom who failed, and then there were no names who flourished.
I have scouted and watched and have notes out my arse. All of which means little to what I see.with my eyes.. Forget ink on paper. Forget who says what. Forget everything. Darvish is "IT".
If you've had the chance to watch him pitch, see how good his pitches are/see how fluid his mechanics are then I'll take your word for it. I definitely don't want to see people getting overenthuesed based on speculation and stats accrued in Japan.
The best part, to me, is that Baseball was once, and still is in my mind, America's game. But to take it a step further? It is becoming an International game. That, to me, makes it better than football, soccer, hockey, basketball, etc.
That said, I see talent from all facets. Darvish is Japanese and Iranian. This kid could not only be a TORP for years, but galvanize our thoughts on this topic.
Meaning he could give the credibility back to Japanese players that was so mercilessly stolen by the likes of Nishioka, Kaz Matsui and Dice-K?
I believe Darvish will be the real deal, the thing he has going for him is that he is young and has had 5 seasons in a row with an ERA under 2. I know it is just stats from a different league but that means something. Ive watched a few of this guys games, and it is amazing watching him pitch. He fools batter left and right.
If we keep Profar what do you do with Elvis? Now that is also assuming we re-sign kinsler, if we dont elvis or Profar could easily move to 2nd. Do we trade elvis? I dont think he would get much value in a trade. Also what do we do with Mike Olt? Beltre seems to have 3rd locked down for quite a while.
Cahill should be on the Rangers radar, i think they could get him without losing all the top prospects like it would take to get a Lincecum.
Olt could play 1st I'm sure which is another reason that Fielder would be great, but shouldn't be a priority. Let's see what Mitch can do with a year when he's fully healthy and know we have Olt down the pipe in a couple of years to play either of the corners. That costs us nothing additional and allows us to make a run at starters. I really like the Cahill idea as it seems like his stuff would fit well in the ballpark. And despite a lot of people's hesitancy on a Japanese pitcher, what little tape I've seen on Darvish does look extremely impressive and his size and age make him pretty attractive. There's always risk with an international signing (or any signing for that matter) so you can look at it as too much risk and not worth it, or you can look at it as a chance to get a possible TORP without paying TORP money (although it will cost a significant amount it won't cost what it would cost to sign a MLB proven TORP).
Get on youtube and watch Yu Darvish. That guy is the real deal! Get him signed!!
So let's get this straight. Ricky said Harper was the "real deal," and some "buffoons" disagreed, calling him a "flash in the pan." Ricky gloats, but am I missing something about Harper, who has yet to even get a single at bat in the majors? It seems like fans of the Rangers who have seen players like Chris Davis completely dominate in the high minors only to struggle mightily in the majors would know the risks of gauging a player's ability based on minor league success.
I'm new around here - is this the kind of thing that goes on on these forums?
It is rumored that Bryce Harper will see MLB this year, which is relatively quickly. And it won't be in be for a cup of coffee in September.
Yu Darvish: http://www.justin.tv/asdfg585/b/298631204? Just watch.
Here's wishing the best for Wilson Ramos and his family.
"Again, WAR is flawed. Damon and Moreland had similar #'s last year, but WAR was so skewed."
Sorry, felt I had to Address this.
1. War is a counting stat. Daman had 135 more plate appearences than Moreland, so he accumulated more WAR.
2. WAR is position relative. A player's WAR is in reference to the average player in his position. Damon was a DH all year, Moreland was usually a 1B. Therefore, Damon's WAR is in relation to other DHs (for the most part) and Moreland is (for the most part) in relation to other 1Bs.
3. WAR takes defense into account. Because Moreland was below average last year on defense last year, it hurt him more than Damon (who rearely played in the field, thus not accumulating more negative zone runs).
Couple of things.
I don't know about Darvish. If the Rangers get him I hope he's the best thing since sliced bread. But I am leery of Japanese pitchers in general.
What to do about Profar? Nothing. He's an A ball superstar who we can get all excited about, but until he cuts his teeth in AA or better you only speculate on what he is at the highest level. Elvis is under team control for 3 more years so I don't even begin to think about shortstop until 20 months from now and I have a better read on what I have in both players. Profar may make the inevitable parting with Elvis much more palatable in 2014, but for rightr now the team is covered both present and future, without a glaring need anywhere.
Good stuuf, Rich. Darvish is the real deal, without question. I find it highly unfair to judge Japanese pitchers from their limited history here. Several have been quite good. If you were to judge the American pitchers drafted as a whole and their success? The Japanese have been much more successful, percentage wise.
Perhaps. I think Daisuke Matsusaka is the measuring stick and sometimes gets an unfair rap. He's become a punchline for those who want to rag on the Red Sox but his first two years he was 33-15. I'll take that from anybody.
Injury has tainted his resume, and his star has faded quickly like a lot Japanese pitchers who come here, play well for a couple of years, then their performance falls off the table. They're not usually as young as Darvish, so perhaps he'll be the exception. If the Rangers get him I hope so.
Daisuke probably saved us millions in the posting fee for Darvish. Boston's loss could be our gain.
The only real measuring stick for future MLB success is AA or higher success, and Yu has demonstrated that. However, the Rangers still must outbid New York and Toronto. Yu certainly has the stuff to succeedRanking starters from 1 thru 5, aside from quality and playoffs is irrelevant- like ranking the value of a lead off hitter after the first inning. Hypothetically, what would it take to get Hernandez or Kershaw: Profar or Elvis and Holland? In one way that is how a top team advances; trading multiple talent for individual greater talent. Because you are not just trading Elvis and Derek for Kershaw but for Kershaw and Profar, for the bottom line is after the trade what is your 25. Still I would avoid trades for talent if possible. For instance I still feel like we had traded A Halladay and A Lee for a relief pitcher when we let Erlin and Wieland go to SD. So it does become the safer route to go after Darvish,Cespedes and/or Rivera. Hang on to Profar a potential superstar, for any batter who walks more than he strikes out playing regularly at A level has that rare chance, bring him up maybe as soon as mid-season as MY's replacement as utility infielder where he already has the make up to learn and progress at MLB level just as well at minor league level.
Lee - I like your statement, but I really think you over-rate Weiland and Erlin. Scott Lucas told me Weiland was projected as a #5 at best in the majors, and Erlin at best a #3. I think Rangers' talent evaluators are the best. I think they were right on We filled a need trading guys who are nice minor-league guys. I wish the best for those kids. I hope they succeed, not only for themselves, but for future Ranngers trade potential.
They might be a Halladay and Lee, or they could be a Harden and a...uh....another Harden.
I agree with Lee's point about spending cash rather the prospects but I feel as if the Rangers rush their prospects too quickly. Let them get seasoned in AAA why is there such a rush to bring up guys like Perez and Profar? Make sure they are ready to contribute on the ML level or you're just starting their time service clock much too soon. Look at what Tampa bay is doing with Natt Moore and what they did with Price and Hellikson.
Martin makes a good point, in that, say Martin for example... we punched his clock too early. I don't believe the Rangers' FO would promote people too early if they were not ready, but that is a slippery slope. I think / know there is a lot of discretion needed there.
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