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Ivan Rodriguez is a free agent. I understand that he has fallen off from his MVP and way past his prime. But if we are looking at it this way, possibly he comes to Texas on a lesser deal that saves us some money to help sure up the bullpen, and that way we can trade Torrealba. Plus I believe you'd have the offense with Napoli in there, and when Pudge is in there the defense is much much better than Torrealbas.
I love Pudge and would like to see him retire as a "Ranger". Not sure what he has left in the tank but even a mediocre Pudge is better than a lot of catchers out there. His knowledge and ability to work with pitchers could go a long way towards getting our exciting young lefties confident and capable.
Bring Pudge back to Arlington! I wonder if Nolan and JD like him? (I'd guess they do)
I agree whole-heartedly. Forget the numbers, forget the age, forget any logical approach. I want Pudge back because I want to root for that guy. He represents an emotional connection to sports, and the Rangers, from my youth. I want a taste of that again. Even if he may not be the best option, I'd willingly give up some win probability in exchange for being able to root for a Rangers team with Pudge again.
I hate myself for it, but I agree with the entire logic of what MexMax said. I just want Pudge back and don't care if he bats .100. I just want him back because he's always been my favorite.
I love the idea. Talk about someone who would put butts in seats! I was there for his first at bat in his last return to the Rangers. That guy is so beloved here. I'd welcome him back here without question.
Is he really that much worse than Treanor? A Teagarden/Pudge duo for backup duties sounds pretty good to me. I just looked up that his agent is Boras, will that play any role in how much he'll cost?
Treanor: avg.214 homers 3 RBI 22 OBP.338
Pudge: avg: .218 Homers2 RBI 19 OBP.281
how bout bert campaneris to be a utility infielder. STOP IT with the retreads
I like the thought of Pudge being a Ranger again, but comparing him to Treanor one number is missing - Pudge made $2.15 million more than Treanor last year.
Pudge for a decade has been a Ranger for exactly 2 months and thus has very minimum attachment to the 2012 Rangers. Plus the real reason he will continue his career is to get 3000 hits and enter The Hall as the all time greatest catcher. He will not get the ABs in Texas to reach that goal in the next 2 seasons. He knows he is only good for a max of 80 games behind the plate and needs another 600 at bats to reach his goal. So he will look for a 2 year deal for a team like the Astros or Padres Even that is highly unlikely. No one on the current Rangers aside from Nolan even remember the Old Pudge. But stranger FA signings do occur.
i like pudge in would love to see him as a ranger. He is also only 140 hits away from 3000 a milestone he will probably stick around to get. Just imagine him doing it as a ranger.
3K hits or not. Anyone who thinks Pudge is not an HOF'r is nuts. I'd argue he is the best Catcher in MLB history, all around. For him to be a back-up here and retire here is total class. I'd love to see it happen. And a Rangers' WS ring on his finger to boot.
You do not read very well Ricki, do you or is it a comprehension difficulty. Where did you read where it even was implied that Pudge was not headed for The Hall. 3000 hits assures him that he would go in as the catcher in the history of Baseballm
@ Lee in Dick Cheeseville - That comment was not directed at you, however this one is. Napoli has caught no more than 80 or so games, thus a Pudge and Nappy split would work for me. If you want to argue that Yorvit or Matt is a better option? I will not need to embarrass you, as you will do the job for me.
Even if there is a remote possibility of bringing Pudge back to the Rangers, which I would be enamored with, Pudge would not want to sign. But then that may be his best option. All of this is predicated on trading a starting catcher in Torrealba so Napoli can catch 120 + games in 2012. So Pudge will only start 40 + games if all goes well ie Napoli's health. Knowing this, Pudge. 3000 goal would. Not be reached. The Rangers on their part would not have let Pudge walk in 2010 if they really wanted Pudge to finish his incredible career in Ranger blue. But if Torrealba is traded, having Pudge on the bench would be a major +. But also I can not think of one team that would trade a solid starting catcher for once-a-week catcher no matter who he is. However, Ricky it is a bit childish to make pun of a hometown and do you even have a clue what D.C. Stands for.
Look Lee, I apologize. But Nappy won't catch 120 games. As I said, as 60/40 split is likely. If Pudge wants to come home for less than Yorvit? I do it. I think Yorvit would bring a PTBNL.
Pudge coming back to Texas would be amazing. Maybe the Rangers let the Royals rent out one of their catchers again like last year. Pudge looks like he has a couple years left in the tank and maybe coming back to Texas and being on a championship contending team would Re-energize him.
We let pudge go after the 2010 season because he still felt he was a starting catcher. The Rangers did not. I think he now knows hes not a starting catcher anymore, and that will help him come to grips that he has a great opportunity to come back to Texas and be a part of something special.
Martin, I would agree with that. Money is likely no longer the motivater for him. Winning back at home probably is.
The problem with going home in Pudge's situation is unfortunately not Texas but Miami. Pudge was in 2010 Washington's #1 catcher, where the Ranger's was Treanor until The All-Star game, when Bengie took over. So who was right and who was wrong and what kind of thought did that leave Pudge. He may just that want to retire after The Big Show, but he has been there twice with 2003 most memorable. When and if Torrealba is traded, it would be great to have Pudge return, but a more likely sign would be Doumit. To measure a 120 game catcher on the Rangers look at 2005 Barajas or 2007 Laird and equate to 2012 Napoli who if he has upped his game and can maintain like last year will be a 150+ game player. Which depends WHO'S on first. Ricky I accept your apology, just stick to your true passion Baseball leave out the social commentaries.
Lee - You are welcome here, as you know your stuff and actually contribute. I'd shake your hand if I could. Stick around and let's talk some more. I do like you. Once more, I am sorry. Go easy, bro. We might just agree more than you think.
@Andy- I don't think most of the people here want Pudge because he "helps the team." I know that it's not like that for me. I just would love to see Pudge get to 3000 here. If that cost us 2-5 wins I'd actually be okay with that. I know maybe it's blasphemy but it's not all about winning for me. I have a huge man-crush on Pudge. That is all. I think most of us posting in favor of bringing Pudge back feel the same as me.
Never one to take exception of a Commander statement, but this time I will. Old or not, Pudge would probably win more games than you concede.
@Ricky- As usual, making a statment makes me want to go to stats. Since I'm talking about wins and I believe WAR to be a decent indicator of a player's value to his team... well you can see where this is going. Assuming with Napoli as your main catcher 60% of the time that means you're looking at about 64 games with your backup catcher. Assuming your backup options are Torrealba, Traenor, Pudge, or Teagarden, the WAR breakdown (using the past 3 years as the measuring stick for what the player can do)
64 games predicted WAR using 3 previous years:Torrealba 0.87Treanor 0.06Teagarden 0.25Pudge 0.18
So, out of those 4 options... all look pretty replacement level.Torrealba is the best, but a 0.87 WAR over 64 games wouldn't be exactly anything to write home about. So the remaining factors would be money, intangibles, and fan reaction. I think Pudge would have a sizable advantage in intangibles and fan reaction. But money could be an issue.
Also, I'd like to point out in the last three seasons Pudge's batting average is only .252 so you'd assume he'd need about another 555 at bats to get to 3000 hits. That would equate to about 160 more games Pudge needs to play to get to 3000... and that's not happening here unless Pudge signs for 2 years here AND there are significant injuries to Napoli to force Pudge into the batting order for significantly more games at least one of those seasons.
As I look at Pudge's quest to reach 3000, I don't get a good feeling though. That injury he had this year probably killed it. That cost him about 40-60 hits. Or if he hadn't had the season ending injury in 2000 (seriously, check out his batting line he put up that year before he went down with the injury! In 91 games Pudge had a .347 batting average with .667 slugging percentage! He was also on pace for 35-40 doubles and home runs! That injury in 2000 probably cost him another 60 to 70 hits). The point is, if his goal is 3000, he NEEDS at bats and that's not here.
End result of my wall of text? Is Pudge demonstrably worse than the other 3 likely options here at backup? Stats say he's probably no worse a bet than Treanor or Teagarden, and Torrealba is likely not too big of an improvement over 64 games. Is Pudge probably too expensive relative to production? Probably but so is Torrealba. Will Pudge sell any more tickets than they already would have? Not after going to the World Series in back-to-back years. Will he bring a crapload of fan excitement? Yes. Will he get to 3000 hits? Unlikely but I so want him to get through it and get there.
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