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So...I am wondering what pitcher you guys would like to see us get here via trade or free agency. For me its Kershaw. I want to see us get him and I know it will take a lot but he's young and someone we need. I'd give up Cruz, Murphy, Torrealba, and 2 high pitching guys for him (Scheppers/Ramirez/Perez/Harrison/Feldman). Shields is another I'd love to see and would cost likely far less. I personally don't like him, but he was productive this year. I think either one of those via trade. Then I want to see us keep CJ at 5 yrs 60/70 mil. I would go that far as I think he has proven he can pitch in Texas and in the heat. Don't discount that....and they fact that he is healthy and low mileage. Darvish......I'd like to see a gamble there too. So.....yes dreaming likely big but give me rotation of Kershaw/Shields, Wilson, Darvish, Holland, Lewis. Harrison/Feldman I figure we ship in trade. I realize if Feldman goes we prolly have to eat his contract. Just throwing this out there to get some talk and see what all you would give up in trade and who you would target.
Darvish. Without question. If C.J. walks? Yu would be an upgrade, trust me. That said, I like Kershaw, but the cost? We can get Kuroda. If he was a Ranger? His # would be about 1.5 x as good. I go Darvish and Kuroda, no trade needed, and one hell of a pitching staff.
Everyone would love to get Kershaw. But think about it - if the Dodgers have to shed payroll, they will trade away salary, not young, cheap guys like Kershaw. It would take a king's ransom to get him, if he's even available, but I don't think he will be available until he hits FA. But yeah, if you could get him for Profar, Scheppers, Martin, and Perez, you'd have to at least think about it. But I don't think that's going to happen.
Looking through the FA list, here are the guys I'd be looking at if I were JD: Buehrle, Maholm, Oswalt (option), and Kuroda.
I do like Markey B. but $? And Kuroda? Yep. Keep in mind Kershaw is arb eligable. Not something to over look with a team like the Dodgers and there financial situation.
Yes Kershaw costs I know...but I'd be willing. I like Kuroda as a option here and Buehrle maybe....but no Oswalt. I think he is done. Jackson is out there too and he's interesting to consider. Has thrown a no hitter....has shown he can throw a lot of pitches which is what we are looking for here. I think we have a better chance trading for Shields than Kershaw. I'd be willing to part with all those guys you mentioned (Profar, Perez, Sheppers, Martin as well as say Ramirez and Cruz/Murphy if it could get us Kershaw and Kemp.
Profar, Perez, Scheppers, Martin, Murphy, Uehara (or someone like him) for Kershaw & Kemp. That's a fantasy baseball trade. No way that happens, but it would be cool if it did.
I've heard no hard, factual info that suggests the Dodgers are in fire sale mode, or in reboot mode. They have some good pieces and just trying to get cheaper. That means it's more likely 1 of Kemp/Ethier gets moved, that Lilly will be dangled for trade, and that Kuroda will not be offered a big contract in FA.
What that means to me is that Kershaw is not available.
Verloc - Do you know how arbitration works? Do the Dodgers have the money? Kershaw is due. He is trade bait big-time. The Dodgers have TWO decent prospects in the minors. The weakest farm hands down. He can be had.
Give me the King... or Kershaw. Please no to Darvish.
If you pass on Darvish, you will rule the day.
Ricky, I have seen alot of your ideas on these posts... Do you know baseball at all??? Kuroda 1.5 times better here.... Are you kidding me... He is a product of Dodger stadium..... See Chan Ho Park but 1.5 times worse
Jake - More than you all day long.
All MLB teams would love to have Clayton Kershaw...If the Dodgers were in the position to trade him, they'd be selling themselves short if they didn't require a return package much similar to the Mark Teixeira haul...So we're probably talking about trading Jurickson Profar and Martin Perez in a package with a couple of other players to even get close to getting a deal done. Anybody that thinks the Dodgers would accept any other deal that doesn't consist of the afore mentioned prospects is simply being unrealistic.
Agree...but are you not ok with say Profar/Perez and then somebody out of Murphy/Cruz/Borbon and maybe Torrealba. Huge asking would be to include Cruz, but if its Murphy/Borbon I say do it and don't ask questions. Perez is still an unknown that may or may not pan out and Profar is 2 years away.
If McCourt wants to come remotely close to keeping the Dodgers he's going to need some cash. At half a million a year, Kershaw is the most valuable asset he has, and his talent is going to waste while the Dodgers are languishing in mediocrity and aren't getting much better anytime soon since their farm sucks. The Rangers have the money to add finishing pieces to one of the finest organizations. Plug numbers in and solve for x.
I'll make this point one more time... we have many serviceable MLB candidates. And more coming behind. Send the "log-jam" guys with talent to LA who is a team with NO FARM! I have no issue with moving Mendonca, Osuna, and some pitchers. I have untouchables that most don't see. But I'd give up a lot for Kershaw to be symbiotic to each team.
Do I know how arbitration works? Uh, yes. Of course he will get a raise, but it won't be anything like Lilly's contract. I understand your reasoning - that because he has more value, he will be trade bait. However, the same argument can be made to the contrary - because he has THE MOST value in all of baseball, being a young, controllable, affordable starter that is serious ace quality, he will most certainly not be traded. you have to also factor in the psychological factor - teams don't like to be bent over and raped by other GMS for their primo talent. There's pride involved. If Kershaw is available, then he would command all of Texas' top tier farm talent and then more. But like I said, I don't think he's even going to be available.
You rebuild around guys like Kershaw. What is the precedent for a guy in Kershaw's position to be traded, eh? Please give me names, Ricky in Fort Worth. I'm curious what those names would be, because I can't think of any in recent years, other than Feliz - and when Feliz was traded, he hadn't pitched a single pitch in the majors.
I meant no offense, Verloc. The Dodgers financial mess, combined with their weak farm, makes him available. You can't rebuild around one guy with nothing. I don't move Perez, Ramirez, Ross, De Los Santos, etc. There is a package of good players that would work.
Bring Kershaw home where he belongs. I know, I know...Yu Darvish is the real thing. No, COKE is the real thing. Yu Darvish seems like a great character in some mythology story somewhere right now. I know it's everyone's wet dream and if we can get him....fine.....but the known KERSHAW would fit nicely in this rotation in 2012. Heck, the Dodgers are a financial wreck anyway so let's package a few players and get Kershaw.
Verloc, you think the Dodgers will rebuild around Kershaw, a starting pitcher who'll play every 5 days? You rebuild around everyday guys. The guys that play 150 games a year instead of 35.
Josh Johnson or Kershaw. (but i don't see the dodgers giving him up) Trade Torrealba, Murphy, Feldman, and a pitcher from the farm to Florida for Johnson.
All I ask is for you to consider the precedent. What legit ace stud pitchers in their 3rd year get traded? Think about it - and please offer some names. Position players do play every day, but they can be replaced a lot easier than a TORP, a real TORP who is dominant, young and controllable. Baseball people believe the adage, "pitching wins championships," and the commodity of pre-FA dominant starting pitching is THE commodity in baseball.
Please prove me wrong about this by offering names, real names. I will gladly admit I am wrong if so.
Daniels will probably resign CJ mainly because CJ did not respond like an Ace in the October games and that slots him at 12 to15 mil range, ie 4/60 or 5/70. Outbid Toronto and Washington for Yu in the 80-90 mil range: bid and 5/50 salary range. Possible FA signs: Bedard, Buehrle, Kuroda, Oswalt, Jackson. Trade options: Shields, Grienke, Garza,, long shot The King, Danks, Peavy, Liriano, GG for a bat ie MY and paying most of his salary and mid prospect like Ramirez or Scheppers, Volquez, Billingsley, Latos: SD loves trading with the Rangers ie AGon C Young, Erlin, Wieland, Cain and risky and costly Johan. A more likely third option: Neftali and Ogando are starters and than sign a true closer from the many true closer FAs like:Papelbon, Nathan, Bell or even Cordero for an encore. Kershaw or JJ are fantasy dreams: Kershaw way too expensive unless you are willing to give up two Hs out of Hamilton- Harrison- Holland trioka- I wouldn't and the Marlins are becoming the MM team with a new look and was looking for pitching - check out the GG rumors not wanting to trade pitching or else they will never compete with the Phils and Braves in their new stadium. I realize this is a lot but it does cover most of the bases.
Must be something in the water. Good grief!
Ricky you done an excellent job of convincing me not to post any more, that a discussion of baseball is not to you as significant as feeding your own ego. AND ego mania is a disease that can infect others, and I rather. Stay healthy and not pick up your disease but then that has always been a problem with open forums. Which is unfortunate, since with a few historical curves along the way ie 1961,1972. Have been an avid fan with strong interests, like quote you the starting lineup of. Myrtle Beach but Gastonia's team of 1989 for example, since 1953.
That statement made about as much sense as Bill Clinton teaching a monogamy class. I will listen, read, and even concede to valid baseball points. You, my friend, present none of the above. Go do your homework and come on back when you know something. Your other post was silly as well. Where you got that line-up? But then again, 7th graders shouldn't be up this late.
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