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Did anyone else happen to lip read Carp in the sixth? To me... it looked like "Fuck no you piece of shit, fuck no!" Keep in mind, he said this while looking directly at Napoli. I'm curious if anyone else saw that and just kind of curious as to whether this normal for Carpenter. Of course, I'm no expert at lip reading either.
Yes I saw it... And it REALLY pissed me off! What an @sshole. Loved it when Nap thru the guy out at 2nd shortly thereafter..
AH, getting under Carpenter's skin.....The Cardinals are beginning to panic.
One more game. Just one more game.
C'mon Colby. It's your turn and it's your time.
I saw that too. That's just one of the reasons I think Carpenter is a major tool. Another instance of a spectacular player with a garbage attitude.
Yes, I'm pretty sure that is what he said now. This really gives some meaning to Grienke's comments about Carpenter that he either made earlier in the post season, can't remember if was during the NLCS or the Brewer's Division Series.
That surprised me since the only attitude issue I've ever heard of Carp having is his beef with Nyjer Morgan - and I'm on the side of anyone who thinks Morgan is a bit of a punk. So I thought maybe he had just yelled "F*ck yeah" and maybe added a "bitches" in, which I wouldn't have a problem with. I'm reading on Twitter though that the players on the field all heard it and on the Cardinals blog they're saying he did and that it as a pretty trashy move
It just occurred to me that I should have "encrypted" Carp's words on this post. My apologies to anyone who may have been offended by those words. Unfortunately, I can't edit the original post.
I watched it on replay, and it looks like he said "Fuck yeah." Watch someone's mouth when they say "yeah" versus "you" and you'll see the difference. I'm not sure what he said after that, but I'm pretty sure that was what he said first.
Meh, whatever, many players get all amped up at times like that. If you are going to bag on Carpenter you kind of have to bag on Kinsler when he yelled "get the fuck off our field" to the Angels last year. Can't have it both ways.
Rangers not fazed by yelling and dirty looks from Cardinals' Chris CarpenterByJon Machota / Special Contributor
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ARLINGTON - Before coming up with the game-winning hit in the eighth inning, Mike Napoli nearly had a similar result two innings earlier.
However, that at bat in the sixth ended with a fly out to the warning track in center field, one of the deepest parts of the park. The out ended the inning, but it also revealed that St. Louis starter Chris Carpenter isn't a fan of Napoli.
FOX television cameras aired Carpenter's reaction after the ball was caught, and it looked as if the right-hander mouthed a few expletives in Napoli's direction.
The Rangers catcher was asked about those words during the post game press conference.
"I don't really know him," Napoli said. "It's unfortunate if he was yelling at me because we've never had any things going on. So it's unfortunate, but it's not my - I'm not going to pursue anything."
Apparently it has nothing to do with Napoli, Carpenter just doesn't like any of his opponents.
"He likes to talk a little," Rangers shortstop Elvis Andrus said of Carpenter. "He was kind of looking at me bad after I bunted. We don't care. Sometimes that's part of the game. They're trying to get over you and get you afraid a little bit.
"But we have a really good offense and we're not going to be afraid or change the way we play because they're yelling."
That was the inning where Beltre homered off him, taking a nice look at the ball heading out for a second before rounding the bases... so he could have been pissed about that on top of losing the lead. Then there were those 2 singles before Napoli hit a towering fly to the wall in CF that missed a homer by about 20 feet - I believe that's when Carpenter was shown on camera screaming. The guy's competitive - and cocky - and he was probably just trying to posture that Napoli wasn't going to beat him like that.
Irony - Napoli did beat them in his next at bat. What a great baseball game!
Actually Napoli beat Rzepwhatshisname, but who cares so long as he beat the Cards. What annoys the hell out of me is that Napoli just missed that pitch, and happened to hit it to the deepest part of the park at the 407 mark. I hate it when pitchers get all amped up that they made such a good pitch in getting out of a jam. Had he struck him out, or jammed him badly and broken his bat, then get excited and talk some trash because you got him. BUT, when the guy barely misses and grand slam to the deepest part of the park, there's a little luck involved.
There was plenty of luck involved in last night's game. I think more of it went our way than theirs; I don't remember them hitting anything close to going out, but we did, but they also had the Murphy ball that could have been a double play or at least one out, but instead becomes a hit for us. There's more, but off the top of my head I can't remember what else.
What bothers me, though, is when people twist the luck so that it suggests that that's the only reason you win, like one guy does on ESPN:
"In other good news for Rangers fans, their club won a game it had absolutely no right winning."
Really? So who did have the right to win that game? St. Louis, who picked up an error of their own to our 2? St. Louis, because they left more baserunners on and got more intentional walks? They got out of at least one bases-loaded jam when Nap's fly ball was just inside the fence. We got out of a couple of jams ourselves, but I don't believe the luck was completely one-sided yesterday.
"Should" doesn't count with respect to who wins the game. Matt Holliday should have been called out at 1st in game 3. Armando Galarraga should have been credited with a perfect game. If "should" made a difference, many thousands of games across baseball's long history would have different outcomes. You can give all the evidence you want for who should have won a game, but it doesn't matter.
There were some good points in the article, but the overlying tone, especially as conveyed in the excerpt quoted above, exhibits what the Germans call "gluckschmerz" (it's the opposite of schadenfreude, for those that don't want to look it up).
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