What is your opinion of the A.J. Pierzynski signing?
MJH on accountability
Here's a question... do we even want CJ? If he can't perform in playoffs, why even give him anything close to $15-20M/year? I understand that he was invaluable during the regular season, so I'd go to about $15M, nothing more. I don't think he's worth it - I hope he proves me wrong.
This topic will surely infuriate Mr. Matches. My take on it, which I think was mentioned in the chats if not on twitter, is this. CJ is a solid number 1 pitcher for most clubs. He is not a so called "ace". I would rather let CJ walk, and keep some of that money for an actual ace, whether next year or a couple years down the road. I just feel it is too risky to invest that much money for that long on him. On top of that, I really feel he doesn't fit with the clubhouse. He is way to big on himself and always talks about himself in pressers, something none of the others are prone to do.
Go after Fielder or Puljos this year and roll with what we have pitching wise. Might be able to make a mid season trade for a true ace, problem is there are too few true aces.
I will take issue with that. C.J., to me, has yet to prove himself as a "True Ace", yet is damn near it. Do I think he should win 20 games with this club? Yes. But what or who do you want? You have a staff in a maturation process unrivaled. What if next year they, let's just say, win 2 more games each? That is a staff! Hell, it is a staff now! I want C.J. here. Darvish is a strong possibility. This is a team. C.J. is a big part of it. He said things on Twitter once that were inappropriate, and MY set him straight. I keep this team together, not at all cost, but I do what I can.
Not happening, Ty.
Keep cj at right cost. Possibly a small premium over what you would normally pay. But if yanks, bosox, nats, angels overpay walk away and don't think twice.
I am with you on that topic. But out on over-paying on ther other two. And believe me, whoever takes 'em, will over pay. Get me?
Seege is showing himself to not be able to handle the bright lights. He's a head case who lets the littlest things like an error behind him, a bad bounce, a tight strike zone or fluke hit completely derail him.
Offer him 5 @ 15mm and let the chips falll where they may. If it doesn't get it done, regroup and add an arm after the ASB next season.
Mas - I assume you mean a contract of 5/$75M. I am down with that. Maybe he pulls a Cliff Lee and opts for winning and where he wants to be. Well, Cliff Lee minus the winning. I have a gut feeling, that C.J. will stay here. He loves his team mates, he likes to win, and he likes the heat. And he wants to be "the guy", and he can be that here. Picture 5 starters with over 15 wins and this offense. Uh-Oh! It's Time!
A little OT but, how much does a pitcher actually control the number of games he wins? I don't think Ws are a good way to evaluate pitchers. Saying CJ should win X amount of games is flawed logic because there are a ton of scenarios in a game that he cannot control i.e. runs scored and the D behind him. This is where all those "math dorks" and their perefial statistics are useful because they give you an idea of a player's actual independent value. I'm not trying to single you out Ricky, but I've noticed you have referred to a pitcher's wins as a measure of value multiple times and I just wanted to throw that out there. For example, Felix Hernandez went 13-12 last year and won the Cy Young. Do you think that the Rangers had 4 pitchers on the staff this year that are better than King Felix?
* peripheral. whoops
Wait now Anic, you make my point for me... sort of... If King was the #1 here, how many wins would he have? If C.J. is an Ace, then Holland, and Matty, and Lewis, and Ogando are close to it? Holland likely, but a couple more years. Lewis? A #4. Matty? About the same. Ogando? Wow! Who knows? Then we have more coming... In short, I will take a lesser expensive staff with a larger combination of wins versus a high dollar Ace with a lot and spares behind him. I'd keep C.J. Either way, I'd pursue Darvish, despite what the fake Nolan says. Baseball is like a chess game to most. But when you have dollars attached to each peice you win or lose out of your own pocket? It becomes more personal. And I take this team personal. My team, our team, our time. It's time.
I would rather let CJ walk, and keep some of that money for an actual ace, whether next year or a couple years down the road.
So, I presume that means you're ready and willing to load up the wagon to blow away Sabathia with an offer he can't refuse?
never said that. I don't think Sabathia is that clutch either, even though nolan apparently likes him. I just don't like CJ's overall attitude, and I don't think it fits with this clubhouse. He can go to Talladega for all I care and race his cars and take photos and be a general douche. I just don't see throwing tons of money at him is a good idea. Plus, every straight edge kid I have ever known has fallen deep and hard off the wagon at some point.
anecdotal evidence is now HSO's, btw
I think the Cubbies and Cards (assuming either doesn't sign/resign a Pujols or Prince) are also in the CJ equation. I like him, I just think he's going to cost break the bank money I would rather spend elsewhere. Also, is there such a thing as too many LH pitchers? If you resign CJ for 5 years, does that mean you have 4 lefties in your rotaion from 2013-2015 (Wilson, Holland, Harrison, Perez)? Does that bother anyone else?
Nope, Scoob. You give me a 12 year old LH kid with a decent arm? And I will make him RICH!The world is predominantly RH. So, LHP is smart. Napoli kills LHP, but then again, he plays for us.
If a pitcher goes 0-300 with a career era of 1.00 is he a bad pitcher? Or if the same pitcher goes 300-0 with a 8.00 career ERA is he good? Wins is not a good evaluation of a pitcher. CJ however SUCK ASS in the playoffs.
While I get your point? That must be the worst analogy ever.
drunk posts in the forum FTMFW!
Overpay to keep CJ, unless it's ridiculous. He's been consistently healthy, has a young arm, is left-handed and he's proven he's not intimidated by pitching at RBiA. That spells "keep him." Don't over-think this. This team can't afford to give away a very good left-handed starter who can pitch in this park.
This is the same schlub that thought Cruz needed to be benches. Go home chiboi.
Reading the story from ESPN quoting a 'source' saying the Rangers will make Sabathia an offer if he opts out. So here's a question for those on here that are willing to pay CJ 20 million per year (which I am not one of): Would you rather give CJ a contract for 5 years/100 million and hopefully still have the resources to make a run at Darvish, or would you give Sabathia a contract for 6 years/150 million, and have no resources left for Darvish? My opinion would be to go for Sabathia. 20 million per year is too much for CJ, and I still don't agree with making a run at Darvish. No pitcher from the Far East has been worth the money that has been paid to them.
I like CJ, and I'm all in favor of signing him to a contract that pays him well, but not 20 million a year. He's this team's No 1 SP, but he's not the dominant workhorse Sabathia is. Sabathia is a true ace, and I think it would be great for the staff to have someone like that on board.
"I'm trying to improve. I'm still a novice at this whole starting pitching thing," said Wilson, converted from a reliever before the start of last season.
This sounds like something Sabathia, Halliday or Verlander would say, doesn't it?
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