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Ogando was a huge weapon against Tampa Bay and seemed to get used in a few very high leverage spots including the 8th inning in Game 4. He also was Texas' most effective starter against RH heavy Detroit. He went 3-0 with a 1.29 ERA and a .205 BA against Detroit and while it may be said that he was good against everyone early in the season this record includes a victory in August to avoid a sweep in a 3 game series. The Rangers may be lucky that Brandon Boesch is gone for the season, but Detroit might end up lucky depending upon how Ogando is dispatched in this series. Another couple of issues to consider is what becomes of Harrison or Holland if one of them is removed from the rotation. Also if Ogando stays a reliever does it mean that Texas has washed its hands of Koji Uehara for the remainer of the post-season..
That's a very good point. I can't help wondering if there's something to the fact that Ogando pitched all 3 games we won against them this year, so it would not surprise me if he were in the rotation, but the game previews I've seen so far have the projected starters listed and he's not on them. That said, he's been incredibly effective as a middle reliever/setup man every time he's pitched in this series, so I could also see why they wouldn't want to move him back to the rotation when he can pitch almost every day for a couple innings.
I don't know if they'll make any subtractions from the BP, though I heard they're considering adding one guy, probably in favor of holding Treanor off. Did he play in the ALDS at all? I don't think Mark Lowe is ready yet, so I imagine Koji will probably stay unless they decide to go with 2 of Yoshi, Kirkman, and O'Day. Which they could. I don't know how much they were scarred by Koji's terrible outing in game 2. Right now, given his previous struggles adapting to our team this summer, I'm still inclined to go to most of the other guys before him. But of course, you never know. He might turn out to be the crucial piece we need at some point.
With Uehera losing trust I would be surprised if Ogando got the start. Also Ogando can shorten the game like nobody's business when combined with Adams and Feliz. That really has been Detroit's secret sauce all year. Beniot and Valverde (not sure of spelling) make Detroit very tough.
Agreed. Benoit and Valverde are arguably scarier than Adams and Feliz. We'll have to really turn it up to get by them. Ogando, of course, will probably be an important component of most of those games, too.
This isn't a serious debate is it?
It's clear Ogando has been groomed to take a BP role in the playoffs. Add the fact he has performed exceedingly well in that role thus far. Add the fact Adams had one horrible outing but seemed to steady himself. Add that Uehara has been exceedingly unreliable and finally add that Colby seemed to discover a time-machine and re-discovered his 2010 form........and it seems pretty obvious that:
1) the SPs are CJ, Holland, Colby & Harrison2) the BP pecking order is Feliz, Ogando/Adams....with Oliver, Gonzalez and maybe Uehara for R/L matchups when needed.
I'm sure I'm missing something there but most of that seems pretty straight-forward to me....
detroit's bullpen isn't good
@MrMan my good friend dcaggie06 almost never has serious debate. He likes to examine hypothetical situations until he has over thought the analysis of any situation no mater how obtuse.
I only respond because to me this is exactly the sort of thinking that some of those that thought pitching Ogando multiple innings so he would be unavailable for the next game in the ALDS would naturally arrive at.
R100 or someone smarter than me about baseball might disagree, but it seems to me that to keep Ogando in your hip pocket and use him in every game has more leverage than just using him in one. Considering how good our other starters are, that Colby can't do the same thing and that the cool weather and size of Comerica Park will help Colby with his HR issues, to me it is a no brainer to use Ogando in the BP.
Ogando, Adams, Feliz... That's a no brainer to me, especially since Ogando can probably go 2 if needed. If CJ or Harry had a lot of bp experience, I might consider Ogando in the rotation because of Detroits righties, but they don't.
Basically, if you're CJ, Dutch, Harry and Colby, you know if you give the team 6/7 great innings, the BP has their back. Knowing you don't have to go 8/9 lets them push the needle a little farther.
But Please Wash, Olliver is good for 1 lefty. He's not a 1 inning guy, he's a 1 hitter pitcher.
Dang mhilgtx, was that Durham services or did you at least upgrade to coach USA for that bus you just chunked my ass under, lol. I actually agree w your assessment of Detroit's use of Benoit and Valverde to an advantage. I would just add that hopefully we can get some ghosts of seasons past in here and Benoit will revert to his hr prone ways...
Regarding Ogando, I think we'll have a definitive assessment after game 2. I honestly believe Holland pitching relief game 4 wasn't just bc he was available. Although we won, he struggled more than any pitcher not named cj or koji. If Holland struggles again keep an open mind to the possibility of a switch. Bp wise Holland is no Ogando but he's proven to be more than serviceable in a relief role, so we can atleast take confidence in that.
Personally I like the idea of Ogando in the pen, but w his record of success against Detroit its hard to not see Wash give him one of Holland or Harrison's games, whomever struggles.... But that's just mere conjecture
Per Newberg -
The Rangers have added right-handed reliever Yoshinori Tateyama to the ALCS roster, removing catcher Matt Treanor.
The Tigers have added infielder Danny Worth to their roster, removing injured outfielder Delmon Young.
This is a nice problem to have. I have no problem rolling this way. Ogando provides all kinds of flexibility.
If he doesn't have to pitch every day, Ogando going in there and giving us a couple of great innings like he's done thus far in the playoffs...I'll take that over 5-6 innings once every 4 days.
I think Wash made the right decision regarding him. He deserves to be in the rotation for the season, but this year, in the playoffs, the bullpen is where we'll probably get the best value from him.
Ogando may be our ace next season.
After last night I think we have our answer about Ogando.
I thought Holland's box score was pretty good. He did struggle I guess but didn't he get the win and only give up 1 earned run but 3 runs allowed. That's probably good enough to win.
@dcaggie06 I have to through you under the bus buddy. You have "throw me under the bus" in your name. Aggie
how many innings can Ogando throw? today, for example, he threw last night, can he go two tonight, with an off day tomorrow, and then be available again Tuesday?
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