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If you think the Rangers have a good chance of winning the WS this year, think about next year when Prince Fielder comes to town and Neftali and Martin Perez are in the rotation. Not to mention Leony's Martin will be roaming CF. Dynasty? I think so!
Fielder won't be coming here.
What makes you think that?
What is the payroll going to be? What are you willing to offer him? How many guys do we have to resign or Arb Eligible in the next couple years? Where will Mike and Nappy get their additional AB's? You don't want to pursue another stud pitcher? What if C.J. leaves? Too may questions to answer, and no need to spend a TON of money on him w/ an offense that is already stocked and producing. I just don't see the need for him here. Good player, not an immediate need. Keeping this team together is one.
I dont keep C.J. He is asking way too much. I love what he's done, but he's just not worth the $20 million he's wanting. And the fact that Buster Olney and Jon Heyman report that the Rangers are very high on interest in Fielder, has to mean it's been discussed more than once. I dont know what the payroll will be, but why not sign Fielder and make sure you have a power bat, that way if Hamilton or Cruz decides to leave we wont be left in the dust with nothing. Mike got his AB's at every infield position, he will get his at-bats. As will Napoli, there's no doubt he's the starting catcher next year, plus he'll see some time at DH. Injuries happen, there's plenty of opportunities. And we've seen that we can rely on the young arms in this system, so you don't have to spend on an ace when you've got the future we do. Plus, if you wanted to spend on an ace, Borbon, Moreland, and a couple other prospects will be intriguing to other clubs.
Olney and Heyman, etc. report a lot of things that are incorrect or never come to fruition, often throwing it at the wall to see if it sticks. They are not held accountable for their misses, but want to bask in the spot light when one of their predictions hit. And read their entire quotes... Ken Rosenthal (Fox Sports) writes that Texas “would seem to be an obvious suitor for [free agents] Prince Fielder or Albert Pujols, especially in light of Mitch Moreland's recent struggles,” though he acknowledges that with Wilson reaching free agency this winter, Josh Hamilton one year away, and Ian Kinsler two years away, the Rangers “might prefer to keep both their payroll and roster flexible.”
And that doesn't account for 11 players arb eligible this year alone! Pitchers Mike Adams, Matt Harrison, Mark Lowe, Darren O’Day, and Eric Hurley, catcher Mike Napoli, infielders Elvis Andrus, Andres Blanco, and Esteban German, and outfielders Nelson Cruz and Murphy
And with Boras asking a rumored 8 years / $200M? No way do I do that deal.
The only way to get Fielder is if we make some deals to get some of our extra salary off our hands and make room for him on the field. Trading Murphy, Moreland, Torrealba, and Borbon and letting Gentry be the 4th outfielder will help, but like Ricky says, there are some guys that will be getting hefty raises through arb so to tack on another 18-20 mil is going to be really difficult to do, although winning a championship might make it possible to increase payroll by a few million or so.
Also, where has it been reported what CJ Wilson is "asking" for? To my knowledge, no figures, other than speculative, have been bantered about. To throw a guy under the bus based on specualation is assinine at best. Perhaps we all shall see in November/December...until then, enjoy the ride and pray no more 9-0 blowouts in favor of the bad guys when he pitches.
Fielder's not coming to Texas. They just spent the Cliff Lee money on Beltre and to Ricky's point, a bunch of guys are going to get big (or least bigger) bucks in arbitration. I think you stand a better chance of losing CJ then getting Prince.
If you wanted a spot where Fielder makes the most sense from a baseball standpoint it would be the team Texas just played in the Rays. But that ain't happening, because the Rays can't Afford him. But somebody will throw some stupid money his way. He may not get top dollar because the Yanks & Red Sox are both set at the position for the next five years, but he won't come cheap to who ever gets him.
CJ has to be a top priority for the Rangers this offseason. If not the top priority. A rotation without CJ next year is not going to be something to look foward to. There are no guarantees that Holland and Harrison continue there progression next year and there will be lingering questions about Lewis and Ogando as well. And while Feliz is intriguing as a starting pitcher he won't give you the results Wilson will next year. I strongly suspect that the Angels will be all in on one of Fielder/Pujols and will probably go hard after Wilson as well. I don't really like our chances matching up against Weaver, Haren and Santana if down the stretch if all we have to counter is Holland, Harrison and Ogando. And if the Angels nab Wilson do we really want to face a rotation of Weaver, Haren, Wilson and Santana regardless of who we throw out there? I certainly don't!
Even if Wilson goes to the Yankees what would a playoff series look like against Sabathia, Wilson, Nova, Garcia/Burnett. CJ may not be on the same level with Verlander, Halladay, Hernandez or Lincecum but he is a top 10 and as such the Rangers need to resign him if for no other reason than to keep him away from another contender.
Also, with Boras as Fielder's agent don't be surprised to hear the Dallas Cowboys are in on him as well. Boras is the best in the business at drubbing up 'potential' suitors for his clients. Don't believe everything you hear.
"I dont keep C.J. He is asking way too much. I love what he's done, but he's just not worth the $20 million he's wanting."
I haven't seen anywhere where he has asked for or stated what he wants. Those numbers are all pure speculation. I'd rather pay CJ than the fat Prince.
I like Cj, but would take Prince over him in a heart beat. Let Cj walk if he doesn't take what management is willing to pay. I will be shocked if Fielder gets the payday he is seeking... Yankees won't be in on him, Sox won't be in on him, White Sox don't need him, Angels can't sign him, Dodgers might still be cash strapped, Mets are out, Phillies aren't a player for 1B, Twins no, Tigers no...
Cubs could play ball, the Giants could really use a power bat, but they have Brandon Belt waiting in the wings, Baltimore? .... Who is going to bid these 2 guys up (Fielder & Puljos)? I could see a situation where we could sign him, trade away a package of Moreland, Torrealba, Bourbon, O Beltre and a few other pieces to bring in a TORP. Even if not we will have Holland, Harrison, Lewis, Ogando and Feldman as a rotation... with a lineup of Kinsler, Andrus, Hamilton, Fielder, Beltre, Napoli, Young, Cruz, Gentry/Murphy you can have a staff era of 4.50 and still win 90-100 games....
Speaking of dynasty, here's a quote from Jonah Keri at Grantland today that should make us all feel warm and fuzzy:
"It didn't seem possible for the loaded Rangers to dramatically upgrade 2010's already loaded lineup. But they did, bagging Game 3 hero and regular-season assassin Mike Napoli and Beltre, adding 68 runs and an unimpeachable third-base glove in the process. This is what you can do when you parlay unprecedented playoff success and one of baseball's most fruitful farm systems (Alexi Ogando crushed the Rays out of the bullpen and makes baseball's deepest bullpen even deeper, and deadlier) and some spectacular trades (Matt Harrison, one small piece from the Mark Teixeira heist, struck out a career-high nine batters in just five innings, inducing 16 whiffs on 97 pitches) into massive revenue spikes. You win, you make money, you spend money, you make more money. Fear the Rangers now, fear them later. They're going to be World Series contenders for a while."
When thinking about Fielder, you have to factor in two things.
(1) What happens in 2013?, Do we really want to sign two injury-prone stars, Josh and Nelly, too huge long term deals? If we don't sign them, we're suddenly down two of our biggest bats and have a pretty anemic OF.
(2) Forget what Boras is asking for Fielder, the # that matters is what the market will pay for Fielder. Unfortunately for Boras, the usual big buyers either already have expensive 1Bs, or young 1Bs that will likely put up good #s for a fraction of the price. As I see it, the only teams that can (A) afford and big prospect, and (B) have as spot at 1B are the Cubs, St. Louis, Colorado, and if you move Moreland to the OF, or trade him, Texas. In other words, if we go gfor him, we won't be bidding against the Bankees or the Red Sox.
Haha so it seems like we are all pretty 50/50 here. Let me propose this to all you guys who don't think we should go after Prince. What if it means getting Pujols for oh $28 million? Would you still say no to a lineup of Kinsler, Young, Hamilton, Pujols, Beltre, Napoli, Cruz, Martin, Andrus?
Tex - I like you, but we have had Beltre, Josh, and Cruz out for extended time and are in the ALCS. The offense has not been anemic w/o them.
Almost every team in the MLB will be in line for Prince. So, let's just say he goes for 8/$160M. AND lets say that Mitch puts up half his numbers at less than a $1M for a short while.
"True Worth" is an honest question... And a home town boy to boot?
And Taylor, it ain't been 50/50. More like 75% know and 25% of you who have no clue.
It is a foolish belief that he will wear a Ranger uniform next year.
Alright Ricky you need to chill out. You take this a little too serious. So get off your high horse there buddy. The fact that you think Olney and Heyman just report stuff is ridiculous, and if you've missed it, the Rangers had "serious" interest in Thome, Guerrero, and Ramirez. So expect them to have interest in Fielder at least. Maybe listen to Ben & Skin and Cowherd and you'd hear that the Rangers have money to spend this winter. But, no, those people who are right 99% of the time don't know anything. Get real man.
Let me explain MLB to you, Taylor. When a guy is rumored to be available? There is not a team that does not "inquire". Learn a bigger word, quit reading press, and learn some baseball. No offense, but you have no clue. And of your 3 examples? What came to fruition? You make my own point for me. Put on your Rangers jammies and go nite-nite.
Ricky, if your Dad was a good friend of T.R. Sullivan's you'd believe what you were told too.
I don't need my Daddy to know those who know. Some of us already have established these relationships.I know T.R. I like him. But he swings and misses like everyone. 'Discussions" in baseball happen daily, Taylor. "Interest" happens daily. It is all part of baseball. I can run down more people I know, who are in the know, who say I am right. No need to. It is a dumb discussion to even think he will be here. It goes against every direction and philosophy this team is built upon.
Okay but let me ask you this. Hypothetically, if you had the chance to get Pujols, knowing the injury woes of Kinsler, Hamilton, and Cruz, and get him for $25-$30 million, would you do it?
No! Why would you? We have how many guys who can play 1st and DH? Dude, really?
Combine those three guys salaries and production and figure it out... not to mention those three can play almost any position combined.
I get that, but Moreland should be used as a trade piece in my opinion. He has a lot of value right now, a few more .260 16 HR seasons wont bring us back as much as we would right now if we traded him. Plus Nap has to be the starting C next year. So that leaves Young to play 1B with 2 years left on his contract. When Young leaves Fielder would be like 29. And Hamilton and Kinsler may or may not be here. Why not try and trade Moreland and a few more players for an ace, instead of overpaying for C.J.?
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