What is your opinion of the A.J. Pierzynski signing?
MJH on accountability
Quick question on public opinion. Question is as the title states, yes, he frustrates us, the pop ups get out of hand, his consistency year to year seems to change, and we can all criticize on the body language issue. Despite all this he is a 4x member of the 20/20 club, a 2 time member of the 30/30 club. Is one of the few LO hitters to ever lead their team in HRs. He seems to do it all, and when you need it. so even during his short tenure has Kinsler established himself as the best 2B in rangers History? with that, how does this effect his future contract situation? do you let Elvis go so Profar stays at SS and Kins stays at 2B? do you MY Kins and possibly DH him or move him to another position if Elvis doesnt bolt to the Yanks? just some things to think about. Post is almost redundant bc looking at the list of Rangers 2B it does get kinda thin, but we do have the likes of Julio Franco, Soriano was good for a while, MY of course, The Dr. of Defense (McClemore). To me, its either Kins or Franco... and as much as you have to appreciate all that Franco brings, i have to say despite the frustrations, Ian Kinsler really is the best 2B to play ball for the Rangers. Agree or Disagree?
Oh Crap! What is the over/under on how long before that trolling Kinsler-hater RangersFan gets ahold of this one?!?!
I'll start the line at +/- 1 hour...
P.S. I am sure he will surmise that clearly Mark McLemore is the greatest Rangers 2B of all time...
Sorry – it is not” RangersFan”...rather "LetsGoRangers" is the Kinsler-hating troll...
He has stats. from the interwebs.....
and he'll actually determine that Tony Romo is the Rangers greatest 2b of all time. Dont ask me how... but he will. and he'll bring his dictionary of anonymous websites to prove it! and the eye of RA!
Agree that he's the best Ranger 2B of all time. Admittedly, the list of comparables is short and since Franco is the closest to him on this list, Kins wins simply because of his power, OPS and SB numbers. Not to mention that he's as good a defensive second baseman as there is in the league.
Having followed the Rangers closely for only a couple years, I don't think I'm qualified to make that call. However, I'm interested in hearing the arguments for people other than Kinsler.
someone will make the call for MY. i'm just waiting. and you know what.... it wont be a bad argument (ok, i'm being kind... it will be a bad argument lol) he's always had his defensive shortcomings but for a while he was pretty good at 2nd. it does suck as stated before it is a small sample size, the only ones remotely worth debating really are Mclemore and Franco
Clearly Young is not the answer here as his three years at 2nd base were his developemental years. While they were not bad at all (2003 was very good actually, his first 200 hit season) he didn't come into his own as a perennial all-star until he moved to shortstop. So the argument is clearly between Franco and Kinsler. So let's compare their average years here while they played 2nd base:
Franco (1989-93) had a line of .307/.382/.440/.882. Won a batting title, averaged had a 79% stolen base percentage (averaging about 25 SB a season), scored near 100 runs most of his years, had some pop to his bat (1 home run for every 50 plate appearances), and a 19.5 WAR over the 5 seasons.Kinsler (2006-2011) has a line of .275/.355/.469/.824. Kinsler has the aforementioned 20/20 and 30/30 seasons, an 86.6% stolen base percentage (averaging 29 a season), averages 117 runs a season, and hit about 10 more home runs a season, and a 25.1 WAR over 6 seasons according to baseball-reference.
Comparing the two's stats Franco does better at getting the ball into play and getting on base. Kinsler has a slight advantage as far as slugging it goes. Kinsler also has the advantage with stolen bases and scoring. All in all the two's numbers are remarkably similar. Probably the tiebreaker goes to whatever factor you want to include (fielding would be a big one as I'm too young to remember Franco's glove. Maybe give bonus points to Kinsler for being part of playoff teams? Again, depends on your "intangibles" that you want to include for your argument). But really their numbers are similar enough I'd say you can't go too wrong either way. I'm going to personally give the edge to Franco myself based upon getting the ball into play more and winning a batting title but I wouldn't argue too much with Kinsler being the choice.
I would say yes, but maybe Toby Harrah might be the other guy to consider. But now I'm wondering if Toby Harrah even played 2B...? I think he did. If you look at his numbers, they are pretty damn good - both power and speed too. But hell, Kinsler is a top 5 2B in all of baseball at the moment. His hot streaks are epic.
@Andy: Honestly, I've followed this team since it arrived in Texas in 1971 and while there have been others who have been all-stars and have been very good at the position, there's never been one that has Kinsler's skill set. In addition to his home runs, walks and low strikeout ratio, he also has 77 RBIs, almost unheard of from a leadoff batter.His popups are maddening, I'll grant you. But factor in everything he does so well and they are a non-issue.
Agree that Kinsler is the best Rangers' second basemen of all time and IMO Kinsler is currently more important to the team than Andrus, but Andrus is improving so I'd try hard to keep them both. I don't think Andrus would fit in as well in the NYY clubhouse and I really think NY is going to go hard for CJ, along with the Senators and whoever else. I am guessing the Rangers won't be able to hold on to CJ but it would be very disappointing to see them both go.
Cmdr: not to mention he's the oldest player to hit a GS.....by breakiing his own record for oldest player to hit a GS.
@No. 42: Thanks. Not surprised, btw.
Kinsler would get my vote as well. Plus, he is a farm raised guy drafted in the 17th round and developed into what he is today. Ironically, Franco and Harrah were both FA signees of the Phillies. Franco was good, but Kinsler is better. Harrah played 2B one year in his first stint with Texas, 2 years in his 2nd stint here. In his 17 year career he didn't play much 2B at all. He was primarily a 3B / DH. So he doesn't enter into this equation. Even if he did, Kinsler is still better. I just hope he has that same longevity. The prevailing thought has been that eventually Profar could make the switch to 2B when ready and Ian could DH. Other thought is, depending on what happens with Elvis, that Profar @ SS and Luis Sardinas would make the switch to 2nd and Kinsler DH. Either way is fine with me, as Ian will continue to produce. And as to the eventual Mike Young type position for Ian in the distant future? He initally was a SS in the minors and played 3B too, before making the transition to 2B. The Rangers haven't had a truly farm raised 2B since Luis Alicea (Newberg Note). All that said... Ian Kinsler is the best 2B in Rangers' histury. Sorry Bump Wills.
Obviously Kinsler is the best player ever-not just for the Rangers.
... And in walks the Rice Owl sarchasm...
A play on words perhaps? Sarcasm for the obvious, but chasm for the abyss caused by said sarcasm?
No, Its Julio Franco, but Kins is closing the gap.
wtf is 'sarchasm'?
To answer your question: yes he is.
Those previous Scooby Dude posts were not me.
Gotta go with Kins as #1.
As to the Kinsler/Andrus/Profar question, I have to think your best bet is to sign Kins long-term, and then as soon as Profar is really ready, you deal Elvis for something of major value, preferably improving the rotation.
Love where your head's at real scooby!
Ironically Im gonna throw it out there that I could see Andrus and Feliz headed back to Atl in a few years for Tommy Hanson right when he starts turning into a more refined stud of a pitcher. How ironic would that be?
Did you ever stop to think that maybe Andrus could play CF when Profar comes up.
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