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I just saw Pedro Strop pitch against the Tigers tonight. He has been perfect in nine innings for Baltimore and has earned himself the set-up role for closer Jim Johnson. They call him "The Swooper" because his curveball looks like a sweeping slurve. Reminds me of Feliz (makeup, ability, body language). Strop for Gonzalez was by far our worst trade that we made this year. Thoughts?
I disagree. Mike is a LHP and very effective. Strop, as some without selective memory will tell you, I said was getting it. But he was out of options and would have to be on our roster next year. Yet, he had done nothing to earn as much. It was a good trade. You don't win when you trade and get a good player for a guy who sucks. You want to see a Strop or Erlin or Wieland be successful. It bodes well for future trades, meaning they trust our talent evaluators. Glad Strop is doing well. A win / win to me.
When you bring in Uehara and Gonzalez and Adams, what room is there for a guy like Strop, who definitely has potential, but needs to be on a team that doesn't need him to be perfect right now? Really, the relief pitcher for the most part is expendable, and those are guys you don't feel badly about trading if you have to. So I don't think that trade was bad. Losing Wieland and Erlin, if they turn out to be as good as say Harrison has been this season, would hurt a lot more, since they would be starters. Strop is never gonna be a starter. But I like Ricky's thinking... as long as we don't move too many of the ones who end up being really good. It already hurts to see Beavan doing what he's doing in Seattle.
We had no choice to move Strop for something of value. Will we retain Gonzalez? IDK. Adams is ours next year. Strop, had he proven himself, would've been here. The Rangers are also fair to young guys. Knowing Beaven would not sniff a spot in our rotation with so much ahead, they gave him an opportunity, while filling needed holes, albeit short-term, in his case. It is easy to look at an ex Ranger good player on a bad team and say "Damnit!". But reality is, we traded a non-usable tool for something tangible to our current situation. Plus, it makes the Rangers more attractive when trades contribute and excel.
Strop had no spot in Texas. He was like the Chris Davis of the bullpen you just can't count on him in the clutch, there's not many chances to be clutch in Baltimore. He might grow into a great bullpen piece but the Rangers needed mikey g now. In a few years the Rangers might just trade for him lol
Very true, Martin. One thing about Texas, they are very fair to their young kids. If there is no spot for them here, they will trade them for a need, to a place of opportunity to play everyday, i.e. Davis, Beaven, Strop, Smoak, etc.
If you can fill a need and give a kid a chance who has no chance here? You do it. I think it is classy of Texas to move kids with talent and give them a chance to succeed, while benefitting. And again, when we trade players who produce? More suitors will comma calling to woo.
I admit I haven't followed Pedro Strop's career, but I don't get this statement that there was no room for him in the bullpen. CD I get, we were 2 or 3 deep at every position he played. But saying there was no room for a potentially strong bullpen piece with the bullpen we had most of the year simply does not compute. We had very little we could count on out of the bullpen. Strop was a little wild in his few appearances this year with 7 walks in 9.2 innings, but in his first 8.2 he gave up 1 run (only in his last appearance did he give up 3 runs). I remember wondering at the time, with the mess of a pen we had, why he was the one who was sent down. I thought maybe it was to work on something specific in his mechanics, but then we never saw him again.
And for him not being "clutch," Gonzalez was anything but clutch for the Orioles this year (though he was far from the worst on their staff). I like Gonzalez, and sometimes you just have to do what you have to do with your personnel, but the excuses I'm reading in defense of this trade just aren't adding up for me. Again, if I missed something from earlier in his career that made the team lose confidence in him regardless of his showing this year, let me know. Otherwise I can't figure out how we can say there was no room for something - anything - that would potentially help our bullpen earlier this year.
Since you don't get it, and I am too tired to type and argue?
Just read this:
If Strop for Gonzalez is the worst trade of the season, I'll gladly take it. Better him than Guzman or Cantu. High-risk late inning guys seem to be a dime a dozen
Mikey G was clutch in atl. How can you be in Baltimore? Trading strop gives him room to grow he just didn't have a chance to grow in Arlington. I liked strop don't get me wrong I wanted him setting up Ogando and Feliz as a starter see how well that worked out?
Strop is on a good roll for the Birds, but he didn't do well with the Rangers. He had a 1.448 WHIP in 9.2 innings with the Rangers this year and a 2.625 WHIP in 10.2 innings in 2010. So far with Baltimore he has the walks under control, but that's been his rap- inconsistent command, which the Rangers can't afford. Strop is with the type of team he needs to be with right now, one that allows him to grow and make mistakes.
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