What is your opinion of the A.J. Pierzynski signing?
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In the year 2000, the Expos drafted a LHP pitcher out of the University of Arkansas in the 4th round. He made his MLB debut in late 2002. In his first three MLB seasons, he went 0-1, 3-3. and then blossomed to 14-8, with an 5.43 ERA and 161 SO in 179 IP at ages 25 & 26.
In the year 2006, the Rangers drafted a LHP pitcher out of Newark High School in Newark, Ohio, in the 25th round. He made his MLB debut in early 2009. In his first three MLB seasons, he went 8-13, 3-4, and the blossomed to 14-5, with an ERA around 4.00 and 148 SO in 186 IP at age 24, and the season is not yet over.
We all know from the title, as well as tonight, that Holland is pitcher #2. The first pitcher mentioned is Cliff Lee. And yes, I just made the comparison.
I think Holland is an exceptional talent, who is maturing rapidly. I can't believe some were bashing him not long ago. He will be a Ranger stud for some time to come.
It's sure looking that way. He's still a far cry from being as proven as Cliff, but he's looked great so many times this year. The comparison is not unwarranted, though some will dismiss it as premature. But I won't. I will not be surprised at all if one day he's mentioned in the same breath as guys like Lee.
Hopefully he'll still be with us, and hopefully he won't be the only one warranting a comparison to guys like Cliff.
The only thing he has in common with Lee is that he's left handed. Steve Avery would be a better comparison. Lee and holland have very different tools. CJ is more of a Lee type. Finese instead of power. Holland is power over finese. He's certainly got top of the rotation stuff like Avery did though
I think the comparison was more about the results he's putting up, and not necessarily his pitching style. I do agree, though, that they have different styles.
Here's another thing they don't have in common.... Holland in his first 3 years has had 4 CGSO's.In his first 4 years? Lee had ZERO! His 5th year he got it, at an age 3 or 4 years older than Derek is now. And C.J. is nothing closer to Lee than Holland. He was a BP and closer for a long time. He is in his 2nd year as a starter and is 31 in November, and broke into the Majors several years later than Holland did, age wise.
Don't know if he will be as good (or better?) than Cliffly but I have always been a believer in the Dutch Wonder. He's cheap, young, ultra talented, left handed, sits in the mid 90s, etc. And now we are seeing some more competetive fire and consistency. I will not be the least bit surprised to see him start an All-Star game or be in the Cy Young conversation before he hits 30. I'm not predicting it, but with his potential I think it's possible.
Holland hater??? No. I've been frustrated by some of his earlier starts this year,(starts against the Yankees and Marlins come to mind), but no, not a Holland hater. You don't give up on left handers before the age of 26 or 27, particularly those that throw 97 on occasion. But I don't buy the wonderful "peripheral" argument when pitchers don't win games. Holland has been winning games, that's what he out there for. Problem solved.
Holland... come on down, youre the next contestant on the Price is Right! Barker though...not Carey
To tell you the truth, if we're talking comparison's Holland is almost a mirror image of David Price. I think one Fox Sports game they even did a side by side comparison of their throwing motion etc. David Price is where he is today due to his longer experience in college at a university (thus more competitive than JUCO) so to me, it appears that holland is pretty much on par with Price's path. Dont forget Price was pretty awful his first full season in the rotation, he fortunately had the privelage of TB being a little more patient and not pulling him (granted they didnt make the playoffs). Last year he took that leap. Last year was Holland's equivelant to Price's first year, but unfortunately due to the playoff implications he had to be moved to the bench. So considering this being Holland's actual first full year he's far exceeding Price. Therefore I would expect next year nothing more than for him to be at or above Price's level. So hopefully we dont see any regression (all we've seen is progression the last 3 years so thats good) and he stays injury bug free, we might actually have a big time ACE besides CJ and not even know it.
Consider we Keep CJ, my predictions and comparison to Price are accurate and Holland becomes a 17-20 game winner, Harrisson maintains status as a 15 game middle rotation winner, Ogando stays end of rotation, yet progresses further, and Colby anchors with a split 12-12 season or potentially better. included with our potenent offense and a resigning of Napoli, and permanant CF of Leonys.... Not only will we have the most feared rotation in baseball and the most potent offense I think we would surpass even the Phillies as WS faves. So hear is to hoping we can retain CJ.
Just something to think about....
I like our team if that all goes as planned, but I still don't think our rotation will be comparable to the Phillies. Yet. Unless Halladay or Lee is traded or retires, which I don't see happening yet.
they have a better top 2... Oswalt is becoming too injury prone and's headed down. plus after the 3 theyre lacking. Top to bottom we would have a better (i'll rephrase a more balanced) and as long as we keep nap and hopefully Murph (i know theres not a lot of room for him but he's the perfect 4th outfielder) I think our offense is the best in the league (when everyone is healthy). That my friend, is why i say if we keep CJ we'd be above the phillies.
we'll see though. its gonna be interesting to see how our youth handle the playoffs if we make it. good times for sure!
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